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Thread: Copper piping in house issue or cause of death of shrimps?

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    Copper piping in house issue or cause of death of shrimps?

    I was wondering if anyone has copper water pipes in their home and rearing shrimps at the same time? My home is using copper water pipes. I never really thought about this till my newly added 10 Red Cherry Shrimps died one after another in a matter of 4 weeks. They seem to die right after they molt. They seem to molt fine. Strange thing was that my Amano shrimp has been in my tank for over 1 month before I added my RCS and it is still surving one month after my last RCS died. And to think I was so worried about copper in my ferts since I started to do EI. My fishes are all doing fine. Initially I though it was my low GH/KH and I tried using Sodium Bicarbonate on each WC to increase my KH. Its still at 0 which I believe is due to my ADA Amazonia soil. My tap water has 0KH too. Tap water is 3GH and I add a little equalibrium at WC in a attempt to increase is a little. Its now at 3.5/4 after 2 months of adding equalibrium at each water change. I want to add more shrimps but dun want to end up as last time. Any ideas? Should I just forget about shrimps due to my copper water pipes or it does not matter if the water pipes are copper or steel?

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    Have you measured the Copper?

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    What is the PH of your tapwater? Pipes are very rarely 'leaking' noticeable ammounts of copper into the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Barr View Post
    Have you measured the Copper?
    I had not thought to measure copper as my tap water analysis has extremely low copper amount and I check all stuff I add to ensure no or low copper. As a result I thought a copper test was of no use. It was only recently that I recall I changed all my water Pipes 3 years ago to copper! I will get a copper test hopefully today to confirm it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallen View Post
    What is the PH of your tapwater? Pipes are very rarely 'leaking' noticeable ammounts of copper into the water.
    It's around 7-7.5 the few times I checked. The water station says to expect 7-9. My tank goes to 5.5/5.8 after co2 injection and back to 6.5/6.8 in the morning. It goes to 5ph sometimes for some reason at the end of my co2 photo period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverpool View Post
    It's around 7-7.5 the few times I checked. The water station says to expect 7-9. My tank goes to 5.5/5.8 after co2 injection and back to 6.5/6.8 in the morning. It goes to 5ph sometimes for some reason at the end of my co2 photo period.
    do you use a drop checker? if so what color is it and what kind of solution is in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Barr View Post
    Have you measured the Copper?
    I just got a sera copper test kit and measured my water twice. No copper at all. So my guess is that my copper pipe is not leaking into the water. My shrimps death must be some other reasons then. As a result of this, and that its been a month since the deaths, I gotten 5 blue shrimps and added it into my tank. Lets see how it goes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by anov50 View Post
    do you use a drop checker? if so what color is it and what kind of solution is in it?
    I am using the Dennerle co2 checker. It comes with like 5 tubes of blue liquid. I change mine every 5/6 weeks or so. It shows somewhere between dark/light green after the CO2 is on for around 45 mins. I run my CO2 and lights around 7.5 hours each day. I actually have my airstone one all the time now instead of having it on only when the CO2/lights are running which I was doing before.

    Looking at the flow of the "cloud" when I dose my micro, I say my flow is pretty good as it takes less then a min before the whole tank is cloudy. My CO2 atomizer goes into my aquaclear hob and is trapped by the sponge etc etc so it should be pretty dissolved as far as I can see.

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    If shrimp appear to be Dying after molting, then perhaps a bit of iodide such as that used in reef aquariums may be worth a try? Is debateable topic from all that I have read,some use it,some don't.
    Might also consider water conditioner such as PRIME that detoxifys heavy metals along with chlorine and chloromines.
    I have similar problem with some cherry shrimp that sister gave me.They are fine for a couple weeks and then Die but it seems to be only females that perish.
    Did take note that CSM+B trace I was using contained a bit higher percentage of copper than the Flourish comprehensive that I used previously, and have since returned to the flourish for the shrimp only tank.
    Sister uses flourish with no issues and I suspect I may have eyeballed the CSM+B a little on the heavy side.
    I guess time will tell.
    I find it odd that my females appear to be only shrimps affected, and maybe odd as well that my Amano shrimp in planted NON CO2 tank still using CSM+B appear unaffected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1077 View Post

    Did take note that CSM+B trace I was using contained a bit higher percentage of copper than the Flourish comprehensive that I used previously, and have since returned to the flourish for the shrimp only tank.
    Sister uses flourish with no issues and I suspect I may have eyeballed the CSM+B a little on the heavy side.
    I guess time will tell.
    I find it odd that my females appear to be only shrimps affected, and maybe odd as well that my Amano shrimp in planted NON CO2 tank still using CSM+B appear unaffected.
    Hi, because I mix my own trace mix from scratch. So I've spent some time comparing traces brands.
    CSM+B doesn't has just a bit higher Cu than Flourish Comprehensive. But it's way higher,
    depending on how you mix your CSM+B.

    Up to 25x higher if you mix 12.5g (1 TBPS) to 500 ml (per current Tom barr and PMDD) and dose following EI instruction.
    And up to 50x higher if you mix 25g (2 TBPS) to 500 ml (Tom used to recommend this).

    Cu in Flourish Comprehensive is very very low. That's why Tom used to dump a whole 200 ml bottle
    into a 20 gallon tank with no ill effects to critters.
    http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/lo...tml#post292781

    BTW, I'm not saying that level of Cu in the Flourish is good or not. Because another high-regarded brand like
    Tropica Plant Nutrition Liquid has even a bit higher Cu than a CSM+B solution.

    All this post is just to say Cu in Flourish Comprehensive is incredibly low.

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