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    Difference, if any, between "wet-dry" and "sump" filtration?

    I am confused about the differences (and similarities) between "wet-dry" and "sump" filtration. After reading threads here and looking at products at online stores, I am lost in the details. Particularly because Eheim seems to have a canister filter labelled as "wet-dry", but many others look to my eye like sumps, at least in general physical dimensions, etc.

    When would one choose "wet-dry" over "sump" and vice-versa?

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    You may be missing the "wet/dry trickle filter box" in the sump only generally.
    But wet/drys have a sump, and plain sump, eg no wet/dry is just a plain sump, generally they use a sock filter and some sponge/biomedia.

    In marine tanks, the sump is the typical set up, using a refugium perhaps, or a large skimmer and maybe some live rock, and the sock filter.

    I'll likely convert most of my tanks to sumps once I move.


    Regards,
    Tom Barr

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    "Sump" means no more than a "VESSEL" to put the biological, mechanical, or absorbant filter IN there.
    This is NOT a definition of what kind of a biological filtration is used.
    The same can be told about “canister” filters.

    You can put in a sump any kind of a biological filter:
    it could be "soaked" (traditional "wet" biofilter, whether "fast" as a canister filter, or a "slow" - as a Hamburger Mattenfilter),
    or "wet-dry" (as "trickle filter") - with the extensive contuct of media with air,
    or "wet" "fast" fluidized bed filter,
    etc.

    For example you can take a very big in volume "canister" and make a "slow" soaked biological filer inside - Hamburger Mattenfilter.

    As you (usually) can not put inside in a canister filter "wet-dry" filter as it is closed and has no contact with air, there is a misunderstanding.
    Eheim invented the way to put in a canister “wet-dry” biological filter giving media contact with air (BTW genies).
    So really in a sump could be “soaked” biological filter, and in a canister could be “wet-dry” filter.
    So both "sump" and "canister" are just vessels to put in there a biological filter. See?

    I see like term "refugium" is used when biological filter is a "plant filter", like EcoSystem Aquarium method (no skimmer, no calcium reactor, no massive dosing of chemicals etc) when biological balance is achieved with a Caulerpa (huge algae) growing in one of the compartments of a sump usually called "refugium".

    I have made recently a sump for a planted tank.
    This sump has a compartment inside for “slow” soaked biological/mechanical filter - Hamburger Mattenfilter, and compartment for absorbents – it is a plain internal filter Resun(R) P-1000L with Seachem Purigen inside (needed very rarely).
    Hamburger Mattenfilter could be made with Matala(R) mats or "Japanese mats" – approach is absolutely the same - very big surface area giving very slow water movement through every cm3 of media.

    For this sump I also made an experimental autonomous universal compartment (removable from a sump) – one size for tanks from 90x45x45 to 180x60x60cm with EstroSieve (plate ~50x60cm cost $200 but it can be cutted for 6 pieces).
    This is a best ever filter for a big planted tanks. Simple, cheap, stable, low maintenance.
    Takashi Amano used pumice in his sump for a tank 180x120x60cm (see photo 1, 2, 3, but using Matala® mats is a way better.
    One guy from Holland (known for his article about Redfield ratio) have made a sump on a Hamburger Mattenfilter several years ago, but he used a different scheme, no Matala mats, no EstroSieve prefilter, no MISTer PUMP (Hydor ARIO glued to prefilter cap of a Hydor SELTZ II).


    naman
    Last edited by naman; 05-05-2008 at 11:13 PM.

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    Those mats do work well BTW.
    There must be a dozen reincarnations of the Hamburger Mattenfilter in a dozen languages. These work very well.

    It's odd more folks do not use such old school methods.
    I use biomedia, anything with high surface area that I can clean once in awhile.
    A sock micron filter bag.
    Not much else.

    Similar method for Marine systems, but either use a Skimmer or a refugium.

    The guide at the bottom is an excellent list of links for folks interested in using sumps BTW.

    "sump for a planted tank".



    Regards,
    Tom Barr

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