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    In advice to someone recently:

    Osmocoat seems like a wise idea for DIY root tab solutions that has seen some revisiting lately. Slow release, small etc, ice cubes filled with Osmocoat also would make adding it in spots very easy too.
    This is similar to soil mud ice cubes that can be added then melt in place without making a mess trying to insert it deep into the sediment.

    Some folks had thought to use gel caps for pills to do this, but ice cubes are even easier.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
    www.BarrReport.com

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    Originally posted by Tom Barr View Post
    In advice to someone recently:

    Osmocoat seems like a wise idea for DIY root tab solutions that has seen some revisiting lately. Slow release, small etc, ice cubes filled with Osmocoat also would make adding it in spots very easy too.
    This is similar to soil mud ice cubes that can be added then melt in place without making a mess trying to insert it deep into the sediment.

    Some folks had thought to use gel caps for pills to do this, but ice cubes are even easier.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
    Excuse me Tom, I couldn't see how easier it is.
    The capsule is quite small compared to the size of an ice cube in my imagination.
    And (ice) melts faster too. Do I miss something?

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    • #3
      I have to go get the gel caps, but ice?
      If you have a freezer, then it's a done deal.

      the point is adding enough Osmocoat(or whatever) into the sediment before melting/dissolving.
      Gels caps are fine, but filling 20 of them is a PITA compared to ice fertcicles.

      The other issue, using and filled a dozen or more little gel caps?
      I can simply toss 10 x (or however much I wish) this amount into an ice cube tray and then add to the sediment.
      No, it does not melt for a few minutes.
      This can also be done using soils/clay loams, and osmocoat, or worm castings all mixed.
      Gel caps are fine, but many will not bother with buying them or dumping the contents out and trying to refill them.

      I can also make ice fert sheets to slide under the sediment for nice even distribution.
      You can certainly use gel caps.........many have/do.

      This is just another very simple way to add any ferts deep into the sediment.

      Regards,
      Tom Barr
      www.BarrReport.com

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      • #4
        You can buy empty gel caps but the ice method sounds like the way to go for sure.
        "Do, then talk about it.
        No do? No talk!!" - Tom Barr

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oreo View Post
          You can buy empty gel caps but the ice method sounds like the way to go for sure.
          For smaller packets, gel caps are popular.
          It's weird for me, since osmocoat was all the rage long ago, then no for a long time, now it's often precisely what many are looking for.
          Jobes stick have caused some issues for many in the past, others had little issues with them.

          Osmocoat cannot cause such issues due to slow release.

          Fertcicles is really simple, easy and you can add other things in there like peat, soil, clays, whatever........

          regards,
          Tom Barr
          www.BarrReport.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tom Barr View Post
            Fertcicles is really simple, easy and you can add other things in there like peat, soil, clays, whatever........
            Now why didn't I think of that? It's so simple it's complicated.

            There I was, picking my brains out, trying to figure out what kind of binder to use to make my own root tabs, what will the gelcaps do when they decompose (it's basically Knox gelatin as far as I know) and so on.

            Water+stuff+freezer=root tabs.

            The best thing is that I cannot see why this could not work for houseplants. It could have saved me a few bucks. Instead of buying Jobe's organic sticks.

            By the way, stick with the good old Jobe's sticks. Don't go for the organics ones. They're made of bone and feather meal and tend to rot and give out a bit of a funky smell when used indoors.

            Originally posted by nipat
            The capsule is quite small compared to the size of an ice cube in my imagination.
            ...
            And (ice) melts faster too.
            Just fill them half way. And indeed it does melt faster, but who cares, the Osmocote will act as a slow realease, they can melt in 30 secs as far as I'm concerned.

            Thanks for making my life a little bit simpler again Tom.

            /Ice cubes...
            //Hummm.... I think I saw trays to make little bitty ice cubes at the dollar store a few weeks ago
            ///Going to the dollar store right now
            Carbon, it there something it cannot do?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by argnom View Post
              ---
              Just fill them half way. And indeed it does melt faster, but who cares, the Osmocote will act as a slow realease, they can melt in 30 secs as far as I'm concerned.

              Thanks for making my life a little bit simpler again Tom.

              /Ice cubes...
              //Hummm.... I think I saw trays to make little bitty ice cubes at the dollar store a few weeks ago
              ///Going to the dollar store right now
              Well, my point was I had trouble pushing some small rock (about the size of an ice cube) into
              gravel substrate. So I think a capsule slim shape is probably easier. And I live in tropics,
              I'm afraid the ice cube will melt and can't hold some pellet if it's small size and I don't do it
              quickly enough.

              Anyway, I just asked out of curiosity, it's not a contest, to each his own.

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              • #8
                You can also make the ice cube trays 1/2 full, then they are smaller and easy to add, but if the gel caps work well, then use them.
                The ice cube fertcicles are more just a simple solution to mud, but applied to osmocoat and any other sediment additives folks wish to add.

                Smaller tanks, gel caps are fine.
                I think given you can make the ice cubes any shape and size you want, adding things like peat, mud, clays etc.......make it really easy.

                Temp wise........well, most aquariums are in the 20-30C range, so the ice melts much much faster once you add it. If you dilly dally.........well, it will melt, but that's true here as well as deserts and tropical regions.
                It's not my idea, I just thought ti be simpler than folks filling gel caps full etc. The idea is actually from a Kiwi, who suggetsed making mud cubes for enriching tablets for planted tanks, maybe 5 years ago or something?
                I just applied to everything that folks add to sediments these days.

                Simple common sense and easy. But using gel caps has its place certainly........this does not take away from either, it adds yet another tool to our box.

                Regards,
                Tom Barr
                www.BarrReport.com

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                • #9
                  After reading my post, I have to admit that I sounded a little arrogant, no offense intended nipat. I hope there are no hard feelings. And indeed, to each his own.

                  As long as the stuff gets to where it's supposed to be, it's all good.

                  Cheers!

                  /People say that Canadians are polite, but I'm French Canadian, so I do have the "arrogant gene" in me.
                  Carbon, it there something it cannot do?

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                  • #10
                    I've been using mud+osmocote+iron icecubes. Pretty conventient.

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                    • #11
                      Indeed cubes are a great tool. I use them for wormcastings. Osmocote is tricky since it floats, and will, if youre pulling stems out. I use lagunas plastic fert sticks since the cap comes off and theyre refillable. I use 19-6-12 osmocote. Buyer beware, there are several varieties of NPK ratings. I havent tested many but this one for sure works good.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chad320 View Post
                        Indeed cubes are a great tool. I use them for wormcastings. Osmocote is tricky since it floats, and will, if youre pulling stems out. I use lagunas plastic fert sticks since the cap comes off and theyre refillable. I use 19-6-12 osmocote. Buyer beware, there are several varieties of NPK ratings. I havent tested many but this one for sure works good.
                        I forgot about thoise refillable caps they sell.
                        Good call.

                        Regards,
                        Tom Barr
                        www.BarrReport.com

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                        • #13
                          I've been wondering whether to try this in the 15G (long) seagrass fuge I have on my mixed reef system. I'm dosing Co2 and just get the sense my established Halophila and Halodule should be growing a bit faster. I keep a fair amount of SPS in the system too so my nutrient levels are pretty low at <5ppm No3 and <.25ppm Po4. I'm struggling with coral coloration issues so I'd like to keep them there. If I added Osmocote; probably say 2-3 pellets every 3 square inches, 2" deep in the aragonite capped mud substrate via gel caps, is it likely there will be a jump in water column nutrient levels?

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                          • #14
                            Coral might be due to alk and Ca, not PO4/NO3.

                            If the ppm's are correct, and I'm not so sure they are..............then the plants should be okay..........if you can mange to keep the N and P at those levels and not drop/
                            IME, few are able to do this and these low residuals are highly variable and hardly representative of the whole picture over time.

                            It takes just a little bit of DBS bacteria to remove 2-3ppm of NO3.
                            Likewise, PO4 in any semi dense plant growth should be gone in a few hours.

                            CO2 dosing is not likely needed. These weeds grow well using KH or your Alkalinity.
                            Most all marine plants do.

                            In otherwords, few if any are carbon limited.

                            You can certainly try adding osmocoat to the sediments.

                            Regards,
                            Tom Barr
                            www.BarrReport.com

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                            • #15
                              i have osmocote at home, but i'm not using it..why? because of precent of amonia, i know, on package they not write there is amonia in osmocote, but on croatian package they told there is some small precent of urea..
                              my parents have a flower farm (i'm not good with english ), and they also using osmocot for plant soil, they told me that osmocote release fertilizer for about 6 months..some aquaristic in serbia uses osmocote, and they told there is a good results with him, but i think there is a problem how to add osmocote on right way..the point is how much to add osmocote and that you heaven't algae boom.
                              sorry for writing so bad, but i'm trying to write somehow

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