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07-31-2007, 12:43 AM
I have completed my new stand for my 45 gallon tank, so, in order to move the tank to the stand I have to completely tear it down, empty it and re-build it. I see this as an opportunity to try something new (for me). My plan is to use a mix of dirt and Soilmaster as a substrate, operate it with low, but steady CO2 concentration, with no night time shutoff of the CO2, less than EI fertilizer dosing, and my existing 1.6 watts per gallon AHS lights.
Today I walked across the American River levee, which is just behind my condo, and dug some river bank silt to use. It is a sandy silt, fine grained, with a brown color when wet. I got enough for about a one inch layer of silt in the tank. Since I want to set this up in a few days, I am soaking the silt in boiling water to mineralize the ammonia in it. Today was the first soak. I figure another day or two, with more boiling water should do it. I'm reluctant to actually put the soil in a pot and boil it on the stove - that is a very heavy load, about 2 gallons of soil.
For CO2, I plan to use 2 dKH distilled water in my drop checker, which will give me 15 ppm roughly when it is green. Then, with that little CO2 I shouldn't have to worry about letting it run full time, so I will leave the solenoid open full time. (Will that harm the solenoid?)
Fertilizing will be daily, with a pre-mix, and I will be dosing about half of the EI recommended weekly quantities.
More to follow.
Hoppy
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07-31-2007, 02:59 AM
For fertilizing, I have an empty Tropica Plant nutrition liquid bottle - 500 ml, and an empty mouthwash bottle, 16 ounces. So, I plan to mix 8 tsp of KNO3 and 2 1/2 tsp of KH2PO4 in 500 ml of distilled water in the Tropica bottle, and dose 5 ml a day, every day. In the mouthwash bottle I plan to mix 1/2 tsp CSM+B+ extra iron in 16 ounces of distilled water, and dose 1.5 oz per day, every day. I figure this is a low enough dosage that I can dose both the same day without worrying about the iron/phosphate reaction. The 1.5 oz dose is based on the bottle having a plastic cup bottle cap that is marked for a 1.5 oz measurement. This, according to my figures gives me about half of the EI recommended weekly dosages. Did I make any mistakes?
My continuous water change system will replace about 5 gallons of water per day, so the buildup of ferts, even with no plant usage of them, should never be high enough to be a concern.
Hoppy
Last edited by VaughnH : 07-31-2007 at 03:01 AM.
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07-31-2007, 07:07 PM
That sounds like it will be a neat set-up. I hope you'll post a picture every now and then.
One question: Why did you decide to mix Soilmaster and dirt as opposed to using one or the other?
Bill
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07-31-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aquabillpers
That sounds like it will be a neat set-up. I hope you'll post a picture every now and then.
One question: Why did you decide to mix Soilmaster and dirt as opposed to using one or the other?
Bill
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Tom posted about soil/inert sand mixes a few weeks ago. That got me to wondering what would be the advantages or disadvantages of trying such a mix using SM instead of sand. At the same time I was debating with myself about whether I wanted to go with the Walstad type set-up. And, I was thinking about something Tom said a few weeks ago - that steady CO2 concentration is essential, more so than having high CO2 concentration. I like using CO2. But, I am looking for slower plant growth, and my existing 1.6 watt per gallon, high CO2, EI tank doesn't give me slow growth.
So, I decided to go to more root feeding, from soil based substrate, less water column fertilizer, less, but very steady CO2 concentration. I like the appearance of SM, and I have plenty of it, so I figure if I mix it with soil it will hold slopes better, allowing me to be more creative with aquascaping. All of that came to a climax when I noticed that I had only a limited time before my particle board stand decides to collapse.
I also tend to get bored doing the same thing all of the time, and this will be a chance to try something entirely different - for me.
Hoppy
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08-07-2007, 02:10 AM
The tank is now set up, but no light yet. It was a much bigger job making the switch over than I remembered. So, I ran out of energy after 6 hours. My silt/soilmaster substrate was a royal pain to set up too. The silt stinks! My three days of boiling water treatment didn't eliminate the swampy smell.
I added about a half inch of silt, mixed in about the same amount of soilmaster, all in a uniform layer. Then I mixed up about another half inch of silt and enough soilmaster to equall about 2 inches of mix. This time I contoured it a bit, with a valley running diagonally from left front to right rear. On top of that is about two inches of SM. To jump start the bacteria colony I used the soilmaster from my previous set up, without washing it at all, and dumped in a couple of cups of very brown mulm too. After adding just enough more water to get about a half inch depth in the "valley" I planted it. Then trickled in the full tank of water, dumping in the removed fish in original tank water about half way along. Of course I used Prime before adding any fish.
Now, I have what looks like a dense fog! But, it is clearing up with the filter running and the continuous water change adding about ten times the normal flow to skim the top surface for a few hours.
Tomorrow I will add the light, and take some photos. I'm dreading getting up in the morning to green water, but I have my fingers crossed. Every time I do this I have bad dreams the next night where I find the tank shattered and water everywhere! So, I will try to video tape the dreams too! What camera is needed for that???
Hoppy
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08-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Eleven days after setting this tank up, and it looks great. No algae (knock on wood) except for a few spots of BBA that were on the transplanted plants, and which I am spot dosing with Excel. All of the plants are growing very well, and they appear to be growing at least as fast as when I used just SM as a substrate, with full EI fertilizing and 30 ppm of CO2. Now, it gets about half dosing of EI, but divided up and dosed daily as premixed solutions. And, the CO2 level is at about 15 ppm. Things can still turn bad quickly, but for now I couldn't be more happy with this setup.

Hoppy
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08-22-2007, 09:11 PM
It has now been 16 days since I started this setup. Growth of the plants has been faster than I expected, and it looks very healthy. Yesterday I pulled up and replanted a Lobelia Cardinalis, small form, and all it did was generate a very small cloud of silt, which settled almost immediately. No green water! In fact no algae of any kind. A few of the older leaves of my Anubia Nana petite have a little dark green algae spots that remain, but the slight amount of BBA on a couple of leaves has vanished. No GDA yet! I am very pleased with this!
Hoppy
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08-22-2007, 09:23 PM
That's a good looking aquarium! I like the look of the substrate, too.
I wonder what it will look like in, say, three months. Please keep the pictures coming.
Bill
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08-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Three to six months is probably when I will feel comfortable saying this is the way for others to try. So, yes, I do intend to update this periodically. I just bought an Anubias nana Coffeefolia and tied it to a rock to go in the front left area. That's one of my favorite plants, but I have been trying others just to see if I like them. The rock is one that fizzes with acid on it, so it is likely to be a carbonate rock, even though it is almost black. My rate of changing water in the tank will prevent any excessive KH buildup.
Hoppy
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08-23-2007, 01:17 AM
So aren't you glad you tried a lower light/lower CO2 method?
Like the old days...........but reinventing the wheel is a common theme in the hobby.
If you stay in the hobby/on the web long enough, you too shall see it many times.
Regards,
Tom Barr
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