Bürkert 6011 solenoids with Buna seals ... available very soon

[Left C]

Hi guys

This is a heads up if you are looking for a high quality solenoid at a reasonable price for your pressurized CO2 systems. Bürkert is going to have two models of their 6011 1/8" NPT solenoids with Buna-N Seals for CO2 duty. Buna-N is the seal material used in paintball guns and holds up very well with CO2 use. One model will have a brass body and the other one will have a stainless steel body. They will be manufactured in Germany. Below are the specifications and the ordering information.

Left C





New Bürkert 6011 Buna-N solenoid part numbers, LED DIN part numbers and prices



Bürkert 6011 material: BRASS: 00463938
Bürkert 6011 material: STAINLESS STEEL: 00463939


These are all three 2506 DIN (http://www.burkert.com/products_data/datasheets/DS2506-Standard-EU-EN.pdf) 120V LED DIN's. The model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) is the one recommended for our use. Do note that these solenoids come stock with a DIN connector that doesn't have an LED. The LED DIN connectors are optional. These is a one week lead time on these DIN connectors.

120V model 008 403 has a LED w/o circuitry with a max 3A circuit rating
120V model 008 355 has a LED, varistor and rectifier with a max 1A circuit rating
120V model 008 409 has a LED and varistor with a max 3A circuit rating (A varistor is a type of surge protector and the rectifier changes the current from AC to DC.)




NOTE: If you want a solenoid with the LED DIN cable plug, you will have to order both the solenoid and the LED DIN. The solenoid does not come as stock with a cable plug.


**** Bürkert technical support told me that these 6011 solenoids are designed such that being energized 24/7 is not a problem.


6011 BUNA-N SOLENOID SPECIFICATIONS

00463938

material: BRASS
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: MS: BR
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



00463939

material: STAINLESS STEEL
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBVANM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: VA: SS
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



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Brett Easterling, at Bürkert (http://us.burkert.com/index.html), called me on 6/26/10 and told me that there are going to be two 6011 (http://us.burkert.com/ENU/search.php?type=6011&SearchText=6011) series solenoids available with Buna-N seals vs the Viton seals that usually come in them. Buna-N is very good for CO2 duty where Viton is just rated as good with CO2.

They will be based on their brass model numbers 456786 (http://www.iprocessmart.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BU456786X&Category_Code=4024T6011) and their stainless steel model model number 457157 (http://www.iprocessmart.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BU00457157&Category_Code=4024T6011). These have 1/8" NPT ports and are made for 120v/60Hz.


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freshwatersystems.com will be carrying these solenoids for direct order from them.

This is the link to the two Buna-N solenoids and LED DIN cable plugs with and without a varistor at freshwatersystems.com. https://www.freshwatersystems.com/c-496-solenoid-valves.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6016-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-brass-body.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6017-cable-plug-to-din-43650-no-varistor.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6018-cable-plug-to-din-43650-with-varistor.aspx



How to wire the 2056 cable plug and proper orientation of the solenoid. It is directional.

Wiring the Bürkert cable plug DIY: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid

Make sure that you have the Bürkert solenoid in the proper orientation: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7864-Burkert-Solenoids-gas-flow-direction-is-important-in-preventing-leaks

[Oreo]

This is nice to see. Does make me curious though if anyone has had problems with the Viton deteriorating to the point of leaking / failure due to exposure to CO2. I'd also like to see the interior design of the valve. After pulling apart a few different Parker solenoid valves I came to the conclusion that some are better able to handle a little bit of grit / foreign debris getting inside without causing a malfunction.

[Left C]

Bürkert says that it's not that the Viton seals are bad; it's just that the Buna seals are better than Viton for CO2 use. A plus is that there is no price increase for the Buna seals.

My 456786 with Viton seals is about 3 years old and I haven't had any trouble with it at all.

Is the Bürkert better than than some models of Parker solenoids? I don't know. I haven't used any Parker solenoids.

Right now, in order to get a good Parker, You have to either wait on ebay (to produce one) or probably pay retail for one. These Bürkert's are going to be available at a good price.

[Whiskey]

This is good! Mine stuck open on me again today, after my last round of trying to fix it again 2 days ago - I think I'm finally done with this thing,.. and i'm more than willing to spend the money on a reliable peice of equiptment that I don't have to have apart twice a week.

Whiskey

[Tom Barr]

Orlando from GLA says he's got some custom SS models that will never clog or stick.
They will be a bit more, but really good grade.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[herns]

I would love to try Burkert!

[hbosman]

Orlando from GLA says he's got some custom SS models that will never clog or stick.
They will be a bit more, but really good grade.

Regards,
Tom Barr

He doesn't sell individual parts though.

[D-007]

Definitely agree that this is good news. A Burkert is the next thing on my list after the regulator.

It is a shame Orlando doesn't sell the custom SS models individually :(

[Gerryd]

Left C,

I assume I can order an electical cord for this solenoid as well at the same time? Anything else I need just for the solenoid portion of a new rig?

[Left C]

Left C,

I assume I can order an electrical cord for this solenoid as well at the same time? Anything else I need just for the solenoid portion of a new rig?It doesn't come with a power cord. It uses an 18/3 power cord. This is the power cord used on many home computers.

You can use the more common 16/3 with a bit of fiddling. Here is bsmith's DIY using a 16/3 power cord. http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7429-B%C3%BCrkert-6011-solenoids-with-Buna-seals-...-available-very-soon?p=59199#post59199

You shouldn't need anything else other than a non-hardening pipe joint compound for assembly with the fittings.

[Left C]

I just ordered one of each solenoid.

[hbosman]

Left C,

Didn't you have a Burkert before?

[Left C]

Yes. I've been using a 456786 for about 3 years. No problems. It's the solenoid shown in my avatar. The only minus is that it doesn't have a light to show when it's on like the Clippards' have. You can get a LED cable plug in three varieties..

[Orlando]

Actually you can get LED connectors for them. I have a few in use right now that are a few years old.

[Left C]

Having an LED with the 120V solenoids is great news. I looked over Bürkert's 6011 spec sheets a few months back and all I saw listed with LED's were the 24V DC models. I didn't even ask Brett about them because of what I read.

I'll ask him about them after the holiday. I would like to have them included.

Thanks a bunch!

PS: Are you going to Daytona?

[Orlando]

I have probably a dozen connectors still in the bag Im sure. Also keep in mind you dont have to use "there" connector. You can use what ever you want as long as the specs line up.

No Daytona for me these days. But, I will be headed to the Mountains next week for wood and rock/boulder collecting:) Also a few days of hiking:)

[inkslinger]

Hey Left C, will you keep us in form with the solenoid model w/LED Connector Thanks , Just waiting to order mine as soon as I get the info thanks!

[Left C]

We should get a response from Bürkert very soon. Holidays ...

Their 2506 DIN (http://www.burkert.com/products_data/datasheets/DS2506-Standard-EU-EN.pdf) is available with a yellow LED light in three different 120V configurations. It's a DIN EN 175301-803, Form C (formerly DIN 43650) type of DIN.

These are the models:
120V model 008 403 has a LED and no circuitry with a max 3A circuit rating
120V model 008 355 has a LED, varistor and rectifier with a max 1A circuit rating
120V model 008 409 has a LED and varistor with a max 3A circuit rating

The DIN connector on my old one is a model 008 353 that has no circuitry and no LED.

I believe that a varistor is a type of surge protector and a rectifier allows flow in only one direction (changes AC to DC).

[Left C]

I have an answer from Bürkert technical support about the 2506 LED DIN's. The model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) are the ones that we need. They are an optional part at $9.00.

So, if you want a solenoid with the LED DIN, you will have to order both the solenoid and the LED DIN. If you don't want the LED DIN, just order the solenoid by itself.

These are the prices for all three 2506 120V LED DIN's. The 008 403 is what is recommended:
120V model 008 403 has a LED w/o circuitry with a max 3A circuit rating
120V model 008 355 has a LED, varistor and rectifier with a max 1A circuit rating
120V model 008 409 has a LED and varistor with a max 3A circuit rating

A varistor is a type of surge protector and the rectifier changes the current from AC to DC.

Again, you will place your order through Jennifer Martin listed in post #1 above.

2506 Data Sheet: http://www.burkert.com/products_data/datasheets/DS2506-Standard-EU-EN.pdf

[Left C]

Also, Bürkert technical support told me that these 6011 are designed so that being energized 24/7 in not a problem.

[inkslinger]

So ??
Brass Bürkert 6011 Solenoid Valve : 00463938 = $45.40 Price
2506 LED DIN model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) =$9.00
Thanks!!

:gw

[Left C]

That's right, plus shipping.

[hbosman]

So ??
Brass Bürkert 6011 Solenoid Valve : 00463938 = $45.40 Price
2506 LED DIN model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) =$9.00
Thanks!!

:gw

Sounds like what I will get if my Parker dies. Thanks Left C and inkslinger.

[Left C]

Sounds like what I will get if my Parker dies. Thanks Left C and inkslinger.You are very welcome, H.

In my mind, you could either order one now as an back-up or one for a newly created aquarium. It's better to be safe than sorry. Right? (Hehehehehehe..... )

That's what I've done. I have a brass and SS solenoid coming with a LED DIN for each one.

From my experience, I know that Bürkert solenoids work well. Their being able to run energized (open) for 24/7 is a big plus, overkill, for our use!

[hbosman]

You are very welcome, H.

In my mind, you could either order one now as an back-up or one for a newly created aquarium. It's better to be safe than sorry. Right? (Hehehehehehe..... )

That's what I've done. I have a brass and SS solenoid coming with a LED DIN for each one.

From my experience, I know that Bürkert solenoids work well. Their being able to run energized (open) for 24/7 is a big plus, overkill, for our use!

I am tempted to order one now but, I'm superstitious. If I have a spare, it will never get used. If I don't have a spare, the original is more likely to fail. I'd rather not have an extra solenoid sitting next to my spare Victor dual stage that might not get used either. Will I sell my spare Victor? No way. Because as soon as I sell it, I will need another one and now days it will cost me much more. ;-)

When the Parker dies, I will just run CO2 24/7 until the Burkert comes in. I've run CO2 24/7 for a few years and didn't have any issues.

[Left C]

I am tempted to order one now but, I'm superstitious. If I have a spare, it will never get used. If I don't have a spare, the original is more likely to fail. I'd rather not have an extra solenoid sitting next to my spare Victor dual stage that might not get used either. Will I sell my spare Victor? No way. Because as soon as I sell it, I will need another one and now days it will cost me much more. ;-)

When the Parker dies, I will just run CO2 24/7 until the Burkert comes in. I've run CO2 24/7 for a few years and didn't have any issues.

Wow! ... You think just like I do. LOL

I'm superstitious too.

[shoggoth43]

It's not superstition if it's true.... :)

-
S

[hbosman]

And I thought people would think my above statement to be absurd! Maybe I'm not crazy after all.

[inkslinger]

I email my Burker rep and this is what I got back: Burket PN 463938 is $43.13 ea and comes with a std 2506 plug but has a 5-6 week lead time

However - PN 456786 is the same valve only it comes with a viton seal instead of a buna seal and I can sell for the same price
Lead time is about 1 week

The above Burket valve also comes with a std plug - but it looks like you want a special 2506 plug

Special 2506 plug PN 008403 Your Price: $8.55 ea
1 week

Beside being able to pick up locally,, Is the Viton seal any better than the a Buna seal for our purpose or is the Viton seal the older version solenoid and the Buna the newer version??

[Left C]

No price increase is right.

However - PN 00456786 is the same valve only it comes with a viton seal instead of a buna seal and I can sell for the same price
Lead time is about 1 week
A plus is that there is no price increase for the Buna seals.





You can get one from aquariumplants.com with the Viton seal for $49 with free shipping. They are supposed to be in stock. But, they have the std DIN and not the LED model. They are not the #00456786, but a slightly different model, I believe.

The above Burket valve also comes with a std plug - but it looks like you want a special 2506 plug

Special 2506 plug PN 008403 Your Price: $8.55 ea
1 week




I've been using one, a #00456786, for three years now w/o problems.

They are very good solenoids. They are even designed so that continuous duty being on is not a problem.

Beside being able to pick up locally,, Is the Viton seal any better than the a Buna seal for our purpose or is the Viton seal the older version solenoid and the Buna the newer version??
Bürkert says that it's not that the Viton seals are bad; it's just that the Buna-N seals are better than Viton for CO2 use.

My 456786 with Viton seals is about 3 years old and I haven't had any trouble with it at all.Oreo and myself added a little more info about Buna-N and Viton below.

[inkslinger]

:gw

No I got it!! The Buna seal is better than the Viton seal for CO2 purpose .

[Left C]

:gw

No I got it!! The Buna seal is better than the Viton seal for CO2 purpose .Do you have one (or more) on order?

Have you seen them? They're about 2/3's the size of Clippard's solenoid, but more sturdily built.

[inkslinger]

No I just order the Special 2506 plug PN 008403 Price: $8.55
When I get a chance, I mean more money, I will get the other
I'm lucky I don't pay for shipping , I get to pick up local

[Left C]

... Beside being able to pick up locally,, Is the Viton seal any better than the a Buna seal for our purpose or is the Viton seal the older version solenoid and the Buna the newer version??Buna-N
Nitrile rubber is the general term for acrylonitrile butadiene terpolymer. Nitrile O-rings, aka Buna-N, are a common rubber compound with two properties important to O-ring seals - resistance to CO2 (both liquid and gaseous) and certain oil based lubricants (like automatic transmission fluid). Nitrile O-rings have a medium to high abrasion resistance, and are resistant to most petroleum based lubricants. Nitrile O-rings also have a very broad temperature range: -65F to +275F, perfect for dealing with cold liquids like CO2.

Viton
Viton is a brand of synthetic rubber and fluoropolymer elastomer commonly used in O-rings and other molded or extruded goods. The name is a registered trademark of DuPont Performance Elastomers L.L.C.. It is rated only as 'good' for use with wet or dry CO2 and not excellent like Buna-N is. Viton works excellent at higher temperatures and exhibits excellent chemical resistance. It works well over a broader range of conditions than other elastomers. It is the closest available approach to being an universal elastomer for sealing in the use of O-rings and custom seals than other elastomers.


http://www.dkirubber.com/materials.asp
http://www.oringsusa.com/html/paintgun.htm
http://www.tankorings.com/aboutorings.html

[Oreo]

When it comes to CO2, Buna-N is what everything else is measured by. There really isn't anything better. Having said that, Viton is up to the task, and if you already have a Viton sealed solenoid valve don't go out of your way to replace it just to get one with Buna-N. I read somewhere that in the long run (years) Viton would develop mild surface oxidation when exposed to CO2.

[inkslinger]

No I just order the Special 2506 plug PN 008403 Price: $8.55
When I get a chance, I mean more money, I will get the other
I'm lucky I don't pay for shipping , I get to pick up local

Will just pick up my Special 2506 plug PN 008403 , The instrction comes on the package it's in German , It's for a 3 prong power cord now got to remember green,white,black? " ground , + , - " ?

[Left C]

Green is ground, black is hot, and white is neutral.

Black goes to the brass terminal. White goes to the silver terminal.

[inkslinger]

Thanks Left C what is the best size cord for this , I found a 16/3 coil power cord local and a 18/3 coil power cord on line {which would be the smallest in wire gauge}?
The Special 2506 plug PN 008403 has 3 terminals with small set screws to hold in place , They are just mark as - , + , the middle one has a ground marking

[Left C]

Thanks Left C what is the best size cord for this , I found a 16/3 coil power cord local and a 18/3 coil power cord on line {which would be the smallest in wire gauge}? 18/3 is smaller than 16/3 wire. The company that I bought my Bürkert solenoid from three years ago used 18/3. My Clippard solenoids are wired with 16/3. If the local 16/3 wire will go through the grommet, I'd use that. The 16/3 is what my local guy carries too.

The Special 2506 plug PN 008403 has 3 terminals with small set screws to hold in place , They are just mark as - , + , the middle one has a ground markingBlack goes to + and while goes to -.

[inkslinger]

Yes I also put the 16/3 on my Clippard Solenoid Valve and found it to be thick.
I would like to find a 18/3 coil power cord even if I have to add my own plug ends, The terminals on this valve looks small "18 gauge size"

:gw

[Left C]

I really like how that DIN looks. Thank you very much for the pictures.

Did you find any 18/3 power cords? If you haven't, I'll see if I can round up some. I'm going to need two for my new solenoids.

[inkslinger]

http://www.northwiredirect.com/retractiles.aspx

18/3 -1/5 {1foot>5foot}
$25.07 ea. for 1
but when you buy by the bulk you save more.
50 - 99 > $ 18.80


:gw

[Left C]

Dang! That's some expensive wire!!! A 2/5 of the same wire was $41.85.

My 16/3 power cords were $3 each with the plug already attached.

[inkslinger]

Will coils are very expensive, Locally I could get a 16/3 Coil for $35. And you can pick up a normal cord from Home Depot for $6.- $8. or like your deal for $3.
Retracted / Extended Length of 18/3
1ft / 5ft $25.07
2ft / 10ft $41.85

[boink]

I had been following this thread until I forgot about it. So with the Burkert solenoids we need the 6011 with buna seal and then the plug portion also? What is the difference between the standard one and the LED one?

Thanks!

[inkslinger]

You just said it LED it has a small led light to let you know when it's powered like the Clippard Solenoid Valve . The solenoid will come with a standard DIM with out a power cord and for $9. more you can order the 2506 LED DIN model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) an replace the standard DIM on the solenoid valve when you get it.


:gw

[Left C]

Some people want to order directly from their distributor. Here are two ways that you can do so.

If you live in USA or Mexico, you can go through the distributor of your choice. Here's the list of those in the USA and Mexico: http://us.burkert.com/ENU/949.html

In other countries, you can find the distrubutor of your choice by clicking on the geographical region on the upper right side of the main site: http://burkert.com/

[Left C]

It will pay you to shop around at the various dealers/distributors in the post above for the best price. Some people that have ordered got the same prices that I quoted and some places charged more. So, shop around for the best deal.

Also, the lead time is 6 to 7 weeks.

I wish that some of us could afford to buy a quantity of them and have them available for sale when people want them instead of everyone having to deal with the long wait period.

[CrabbyGuy005]

I'm a newbie to all this but wanted the better parts thus ordered it direct from Burkert as well. Please note that there may not always be a wait period. Sometimes, they mentioned, they would have one in inventory... if your lucky. In the case they have it in stock.... TELL THEM to hold it or something with your CC number. Otherwise as most business goes, first paid is first sold to.

I have a question though on the assembly side...
Can't you use a spare computer cord that's lying around? Sure you'll have to strip it but then won't you save $7 and save the planet and your closet some space?
and there in it lies the question: my cord states its 10A/250V, will it works since the solenoid only uses 4W/120V. sorry but my science is a bit rusty.

[Left C]

I'm a newbie to all this but wanted the better parts thus ordered it direct from Burkert as well. Please note that there may not always be a wait period. Sometimes, they mentioned, they would have one in inventory... if your lucky. In the case they have it in stock.... TELL THEM to hold it or something with your CC number. Otherwise as most business goes, first paid is first sold to. I'm very glad that you are getting one. This makes three of us.


I have a question though on the assembly side...
Can't you use a spare computer cord that's lying around? Sure you'll have to strip it but then won't you save $7 and save the planet and your closet some space?
and there in it lies the question: my cord states its 10A/250V, will it work since the solenoid only uses 4W/120V. sorry but my science is a bit rusty.The end of the power cord goes through a hole in the DIN connector to where the three wires connect. It is the diameter of the power cord's sheath that determines if it fits through that hole or not. If your power cord will fit through that hole, it should work great. It goes without saying to use a very good UL approved power cord for your safety.

I meant to add that the cords on my Bürkert and Clippard solenoids are 300v. Your 250v cord should work great if it will fit through the opening.

[CrabbyGuy005]

Left C:

the computer cord worked fine. only problem was it was made in asia and didn't fit our US standards for polarity coding.
the screws to lock down the wires were tricky at first... had to make the ground wire longer even though it was in the middle and use that for the anchor before attaching the polarities.
i'm not mechanically or electronically inclined so this was new to me. my eyeglass screwdriver didn't work for this but i had a computer screwdriver kit that helped get it done.
with all the equipment available i would estimate the job took me 1.5hours... however, i didn't have all the equipment so had to spread it over a week. the trickiest part was attaching the wires inside the housing. finally, when tested, light goes on and I can hear a heavy "ka-klink" to hear the solenoid open.

Next prob: finding the proper bubble counters and check valve! any good suggestions/sources?.. jbj bubble counters seem to be discontinued?

[Left C]

The JBJ bubble counter is still listed on ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=jbj+bubble+counter

Are you wanting a check valve to mount between a JBJ BC and a needle/metering valve? Here's a 1/8" MPT check valve with a low cracking pressure: http://cgi.ebay.com/Deltrol-Pneutrol-1-8-NPT-Brass-Check-Valve-CMM10B-C3-/260377896817?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3c9fbb6771

[CrabbyGuy005]

I was gonna buy it from Aquatic Magic before but they seemed to have a security problem with their website. I guess it should be safer via Ebay?

also that check valve between the BC and needle valve IS what i want. I was just wondering... will i have enough cracking pressure if i only want between 1-2 bps?

thanks!

[Left C]

I was gonna buy it from Aquatic Magic before but they seemed to have a security problem with their website. I guess it should be safer via Ebay?What is going on with AquaticMagic? I haven't read anything about any issues.


also that check valve between the BC and needle valve IS what i want. I was just wondering... will i have enough cracking pressure if i only want between 1-2 bps?

thanks!
You should have no problem at all because it has a low cracking pressure. The key variable is what you set your working pressure at ... 5 to 20 psi is very commonly used. Its flow is rated at 1 gallon per minute. 1 US gallon is approximately 33,500 bubbles that are 6mm in diameter. This should be just fine for you with plenty of room to spare running at 1 to 2 bps..

[inkslinger]

Hey Left C
Did you get your Solenoid Valve yet. I will be ordering mine in a couple of weeks , I just got my coil cord
from Northwire I like it!
Bit expensive thou $25.04 for the cord and $12.04 to ship . I got 18 AWG , 3 Conduct , 300w. The size is 1 foot to 5 foot {I got a 12inch coil and 17.5 inches on each end}! Got it strip and ready for 3 prong plug w/light {lights green when power is good and red when is not good} Also got to get my 5 lb co2 tank re-tested and sell it to get another 10 or 15lb tank. :)

:gw

[Left C]

Hey Left C
Did you get your Solenoid Valve yet. I will be ordering mine in a couple of weeks , I just got my coil cord
from Northwire I like it!
Bit expensive thou $25.04 for the cord and $12.04 to ship . I got 18 AWG , 3 Conduct , 300w. The size is 1 foot to 5 foot {I got a 12inch coil and 17.5 inches on each end}! Got it strip and ready for 3 prong plug w/light {lights green when power is good and red when is not good} Also got to get my 5 lb co2 tank re-tested and sell it to get another 10 or 15lb tank. :)

:gw

Great coincidence! UPS just dropped mine off. I got one brass and one stainless steel solenoid. I got two LED and two non LED connectors. It's 5 PM here now and the elctrical supply store is closed. I'll go tomorrow and see what 18/3 power cords that they have. BTY, Burkert really packed this shipment very well!

I like that strip that you got. It sounds handy!

I'm set on CO2 tanks. I have two 20 lbs and 2 five lbs. Good luck on your sales and purchases.

Looking at the way this order is packed, the solenoids and DIN connectors aren't connected. They are in separate boxes. It looks like I paid extra for the non LED connectors that I don't need (right now anyway). The LED connectors are in separate boxes. I think that, but I'm not positive that maybe you could order the Buna-N solenoid of your choice and a LED connector if you wish and you would be good to go. But, I got mine from the USA distributer and not a dealer. I wonder if the dealers would do it differently. Well, ... it is too late to call now to find out.

[inkslinger]

Looking at the way this order is packed, the solenoids and DIN connectors aren't connected. They are in separate boxes. It looks like I paid extra for the non LED connectors that I don't need (right now anyway). The LED connectors are in separate boxes. I think that, but I'm not positive that maybe you could order the Buna-N solenoid of your choice and a LED connector if you wish and you would be good to go. But, I got mine from the USA distributer and not a dealer. I wonder if the dealers would do it differently. Well, ... it is too late to call now to find out.

I just email my dealer an ask if the Burkert 6011 Solenoid Valve can be order without a DIN Connector since I already bought the LED 2506 for it?
Crossing my fingers and toes!

[Left C]

I just email my dealer an ask if the Burkert 6011 Solenoid Valve can be order without a DIN Connector since I already bought the LED 2506 for it?
Crossing my fingers and toes!

I hope that it works out to be the case.

Are you getting a brass or stainless steel one?

[Tom Barr]

Just get whatever is cheapest at Home Depot for cords, cut off the end if it happens to have a plug.

Splice, then attach, most are in the 18/3 configurations.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[inkslinger]

Will findly was able to place my order for the Bürkert 6011, BRASS: 00463938
I also ask if it could be order only the solenoid with-out the DIM connector, nope it comes with the stander DIM
And Yep I had an old power cord laying around 3/18 g " but I like this coil cord "

[Left C]

.... As a side note, I should have something in the works with the Burkert Buna-N solenoids really soon. Their district sales manager called me today with some good news. I'll know more Thursday. I'll post it in the Burkert thread.I can't wait to see what's in the works for the buna-n 6011s. My stainless should be here any week now.

Fresh Water Systems in SC is going to be stocking the Bürkert Buna-N solenoids for us. They are going to stock two of the three LED cable plugs too. I asked if they would consider putting the power cord on them. I don’t know if they will or not at this time. Also, there is a remote possibility that they will stock the Victor VTS253A-1993 two stage medical grade CO2 regulators as well.

They are placing their order with Bürkert today. It will take a few weeks for them to get manufactured and shipped over here. I don’t know the time-line right now, but I should know something in the next few days. The pricing should be the same with the exception of the cable plugs with power cords which will be a little more if they decide to do this. I don't know the pricing of the Victor regulator should they decide to carry it. They are going to have these items listed on their website so that we can order directly from them.

The initial stocking will be:
24 units: brass 00463938 solenoid with Buna-N seals
6 units: stainless steel 00463939 solenoid with Buna-N seals
24 units: 008 403 LED cable plug without circuitry
3 units: 008 409 LED cable plug with varistor


Fresh Water Systems
85 Commerce Center
Greenville, SC 29615
Phone: 877-335-3339
Fax: 864-284-1819
Website: www.freshwatersystems.com


Take care,
Left C

[Left C]

I'd like to add that Brett Easterling, my area sales manager at Bürkert, made all of this possible. I wrote him a letter asking him to carry a small inventory. I told him that people were wanting the Buna-N solenoids, but they were purchasing the Viton seal units because they were basically available and we had to wait 6 or 7 weeks on the Buna-N's.

Brett set up the contact at Fresh Water Systems and asked me to call them. I spoke with Corey Coleman, their inside sales manager, and told him about our building regulators using high quality parts. He was very enthusiastic. We discussed the starting inventory and came up with the amounts of units above. He actually wanted to add half again more units to start with, but I asked him to wait a while on this. Also, he was going to stock the Viton seal units too, but decided to only stock the Buna-N models.

I hope that he will be able to add the power cords. I gave him the link to the NuAire (http://www.scientificvisions.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=52) Victor VTS253A-1993 that Matt gave me. I told him that we were getting these from ebay in new condition for around $70 shipped. Hopefully, he can beat the $235 that NuAire charges.

I sure hope that this works out well for us.

[Matt F.]

Left C,

This is GREAT news! It looks like we will have direct access to top notch equipment now.

If he can match or beat the vts253a-1993, I'll buy another one (a real victor)!

Will there be the same lead time of about 5-7 weeks for these solenoids?

[Left C]

Fresh Water Systems ordered all of those parts Friday. I do not know the time frame involved when they will receive their initial order. Hopefully it will be less than 5 to 7 weeks. I believe that Brett told FWS that they were already in production. They will contact me to let me know when they should expect them. When they do have them in stock, we can order them directly from FWS's web site.

[Matt F.]

I just received my invoice for my stainless burkert buna-n sealed solenoid. The 5-7 week lead time hold true. I'll be doing a DIY article w/ pics on how to wire one of these. It's far easier than people make it seem. I can't wait to receive this thing!

[Matt F.]

How to wire your Burkert Type 6011 solenoid:
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid

[Left C]

This is the link to the two Buna-N solenoids and LED DIN cable plugs with and without a varistor at freshwatersystems.com. They are scheduled to be in stock on November 18, 2010. https://www.freshwatersystems.com/c-496-solenoid-valves.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6016-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-brass-body.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6017-cable-plug-to-din-43650-no-varistor.aspx

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6018-cable-plug-to-din-43650-with-varistor.aspx

[CrabbyGuy005]

Hey Left C:

I totally screwed up my timing and now the e-bay posting for the check valve is out of stock from the dealer.
Is this one:

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-301-inline-stainless-check-valve-18-mpt-x-18-mpt.aspx

pretty much the same? it seems to have a low cracking pressure as you indicated. too bad they don't have the brass one since all my stuff is brass...

[Left C]

Hey Left C:

I totally screwed up my timing and now the e-bay posting for the check valve is out of stock from the dealer.
Is this one:

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-301-inline-stainless-check-valve-18-mpt-x-18-mpt.aspx

pretty much the same? it seems to have a low cracking pressure as you indicated. too bad they don't have the brass one since all my stuff is brass...Hi Crabby

Yes, that should work great. It comes in brass and stainless steel according to the specs. See below.

Specifications:

Material: Brass or Stainless Steel
Cracking Pressure: 1.5 psi +/- 1/2 psi
Flow Rates: .35 gpm @ 5 psi, .64 gpm @ 10 psi, .73 gpm @ 15 psi, .84 gpm @ 20 psi
O-Rings: Buna-N FDA grade

[Left C]

Hey Left C:

I totally screwed up my timing and now the e-bay posting for the check valve is out of stock from the dealer.
Is this one:

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-301-inline-stainless-check-valve-18-mpt-x-18-mpt.aspx

pretty much the same? it seems to have a low cracking pressure as you indicated. too bad they don't have the brass one since all my stuff is brass...Hi Crabby

Yes, that should work great with its 1 1/2 psi cracking pressure. It comes in brass and stainless steel according to the specs. See below.

Specifications:

Material: Brass or Stainless Steel
Cracking Pressure: 1.5 psi +/- 1/2 psi
Flow Rates: .35 gpm @ 5 psi, .64 gpm @ 10 psi, .73 gpm @ 15 psi, .84 gpm @ 20 psi
O-Rings: Buna-N FDA grade

[Tom Barr]

The clippard check valves with MPT 1/8" are easy to get at a decent price and have a decent crack pressure, about 0.5psi.

Much better than the 10-32 size check valves and less likely to fail, have sticking issues.

The Burkets I bought 6 about 1 month ago, wired 2, likely will slowly get around to upgrading the other parts on my regs little but little.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[herns]

They will contact me to let me know when they should expect them.

Keep us posted, Left C.
Thanks!

[Left C]

I got you covered. Check out post #74. They are expecting to have them in stock on Nov 18.

[Orple]

Out of curiosity, how does the importance of having the Buna-N seals compare to, say, having a lower wattage solenoid. For example, the Burkert as opposed to the following:

http://www.aquariumplants.com/CO2_Solenoid_Valve_p/am73007.htm

The lower wattage would make it a less hot solenoid, although it has the Viton seals (and is somewhat more expensive). Is the difference in seals a more important consideration than the difference in wattage?

I'm asking, incidentally, because I need to buy a solenoid, and I'm not sure how to decide between these two.

Orple

[Left C]

Out of curiosity, how does the importance of having the Buna-N seals compare to, say, having a lower wattage solenoid. For example, the Burkert as opposed to the following:

http://www.aquariumplants.com/CO2_Solenoid_Valve_p/am73007.htm

The lower wattage would make it a less hot solenoid, although it has the Viton seals (and is somewhat more expensive). Is the difference in seals a more important consideration than the difference in wattage?

I'm asking, incidentally, because I need to buy a solenoid, and I'm not sure how to decide between these two.

Orple

That Aqua Medic regulator is made to be mounted inline to tubing and not attached to the regulator like the Burkert solenoids.

[herns]

Thanks for the info, Left C.

[Matt F.]

Another important issue with Burkert type 6011 solenoids in general is that they are designed to have gas flow in the "P" side of the solenoid and out the "A" side. If you reverse the flow, the solenoid will not seal properly and you can/will hear a hissing sound of gas escaping...This is what happened to my new Burkert solenoid.

I sent it back to burkert to have the enginners play with it.

So, when you are isntalling you solenoids, make sure that the "P" side, which stands for pressure is on the in-flow of gas side and the "A" is on the outflo side.

Worst case, you can remove the nut on the back, slide the black part of the solenoid off and flip the solenoid over to that the NPT part is on top. This is what I did (at the direction of Burkert engineers) and it works fine.


So gas flow should be:


----------------gas flow----------->"P"------------"A"-------------------->

or (if you've switched the solenoid over so that the "npt" side is up):

----------------gas flow----------->"TPN" (inflow is on the T side and outflow is on the N side).

Let me know if you need pics.

[Matt F.]

How many of you want to buy a Buna-N solenoid from Freshwater Systems but are dreading the cord installation?

I have to discuss something with Left C, but there might be a way around this for those of you who are uncomfortable following my DIY thread.

Left C, please clear you PM inbox and wait for my PM around (3pm pacific time).

fwiw, the Burkerts sold at aquariumplants.com are okay, but they aren't for CO2 use specifically. The BUna-n sealed Burkerts are considered for CO2 use specifically. That's why this thread is such good news.

[andyl9063]

Hey Matt,

where's the thread about the diy ?


How many of you want to buy a Buna-N solenoid from Freshwater Systems but are dreading the cord installation?

I have to discuss something with Left C, but there might be a way around this for those of you who are uncomfortable following my DIY thread.

Left C, please clear you PM inbox and wait for my PM around (3pm pacific time).

fwiw, the Burkerts sold at aquariumplants.com are okay, but they aren't for CO2 use specifically. The BUna-n sealed Burkerts are considered for CO2 use specifically. That's why this thread is such good news.

[Left C]

Wiring the Bürkert cable plug DIY: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid

Make sure that you have the Bürkert solenoid in the proper orientation: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7864-Burkert-Solenoids-gas-flow-direction-is-important-in-preventing-leaks

[andyl9063]

Hey guys,

What's the difference between the one over at aquariumplants and the one over at freshwatersystems?

http://www.aquariumplants.com/Burkert_Brass_Solenoid_Valve_Type_6011_p/bu6011.htm

I see the one at aquariumplants already have the power adapter.....

[Matt F.]

Hey Matt,

where's the thread about the diy ?

http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid

[Matt F.]

Hey guys,

What's the difference between the one over at aquariumplants and the one over at freshwatersystems?

http://www.aquariumplants.com/Burkert_Brass_Solenoid_Valve_Type_6011_p/bu6011.htm

I see the one at aquariumplants already have the power adapter.....

These solenoids have a different seal material. The one at aquariumplants has the viton seals which is good for general gas service (non-corrosive), but the one at FreshwaterSystems has Buna-N seals which are better for Co2 service,b/c CO2 is slightly corrosive.

I'll be upgrading all my Viton sealed units (aquariumplants.com) with Buna-N units (freshwatersystems) soon.

You might as well do it right the first time and getthe Buna-N sealed units at Freshwater systems via Left C's link.

In most cases it takes 5-7 weeks for the factory to make and ship the Buna-N solenoids. I had to wait that long to get mine. If you order from Freshwater systems, it will be in by November 18 b/c they were already pre-ordered.

I'd do it and not look back.

The DIY cord install us easy (see link above).

[andyl9063]

the thing is i dont wanna wait that long............. LOL

where are you guys getting your ideal needle at? I just email them and they said its $91 shipped?????????????????
This is with the venier metering handle, what's the difference between that and the regular handle? Is it more precise?
Unless you wanna sell me one of yours Matt :)

[Matt F.]

the thing is i dont wanna wait that long............. LOL

where are you guys getting your ideal needle at? I just email them and they said its $91 shipped?????????????????
This is with the venier metering handle, what's the difference between that and the regular handle? Is it more precise?
Unless you wanna sell me one of yours Matt :)

You want to make sure you get the right parts from the start. That way you'll be completely satisfied when it's together. I'd wait for the Buna-N sealed burkert solenoid. It's worth it in my opinion.

I've bought all my Ideal Valves from Bill Sand via the Ideal Valve website contact page. They best way to contact him is to call.
$91 including shipping sounds about right for a V52-1-12. The micrometer and vernier handle are def worth it when it comes to really dialing in your CO2 (I use the micrometer and my drop checker w/ 4dkh to dial my co2 in).

just to put your situation in perspective...I had to wait 6-7 weeks for my stainless buna-n valve. You'll only have to wait a few weeks (might be the same amount of time for the aquariumplants.com unit...). With the Buna-N solenoid you'll get a better seal material for co2 use. It should gte you longer life for your money and less headache.

Just wait, spend money once and enjoy the heck out of your top-notch solenoid.

At least that's what I would do if I could do it over again. Now I'm stuck replacing my Viton sealed units and spending twice the amount of money.

food for thought.

[andyl9063]

that ideal needle is in my range, but i dont want to spend that much on it. Have you had experience with the fabco needle? I was reading on it and not a lot of people had problems with it, but i don't understand the inline part.

[Matt F.]

I thought this was important enough to mention. It would have saved me the shipping out to NC:

http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7864-Burkert-Solenoids-gas-flow-direction-is-important-in-preventing-leaks

[Matt F.]

1 more week till freshwater systems has it in stock, iirc. Is everything a go, Left C? I'd like to order a few units.

[Left C]

I spoke with freshwatersystems today. They are waiting for the 18th just like us. To their knowledge, there are no delays.

I was also told that there had been quite a few orders for them already.

[herns]

Thanks for the update Left C. Ive been looking forward on the 18th.

[Matt F.]

I spoke with freshwatersystems today. They are waiting for the 18th just like us. To their knowledge, there are no delays.

I was also told that there had been quite a few orders for them already.

That's good news.
I'll be ordering a few, too!!! :)

[Left C]

The burkert solenoids are in stock at freshwatersystems.com!!!!!!

[Left C]

It looks like I might be eating some crow on an issue.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/eatingcrow.jpg



These Burkert solenoids do not come with a stock cable plug. You have to order one of the LED models. Either the one with the varistor or the one without.

I am waiting on a return call to find out more about why this is. It was my understanding that they would come standard with the non-LED cable plug.

[Matt F.]

Does this mean that the solenoid does not come with the 2506 DIN? In other words, do we have to order that in addition to the solenoid itself?

I guess my question is:

2506 DIN = non-LED cable plug?

[Left C]

I haven't received a reply from their management team at this time. It was almost their closing time when I found out and left a message. As soon as I find out something, I will post it.

[Left C]

I stumbled on finding out about this by "blind luck" or something like that. I called their customer service and asked one of them to open up a 6011 box. This person told me that only the solenoid was in the box. There was no cable plug enclosed.

[Matt F.]

I stumbled on finding out about this by "blind luck" or something like that. I called their customer service and asked one of them to open up a 6011 box. This person told me that only the solenoid was in the box. There was no cable plug enclosed.

I think that's how mine came from iprocessmart.com. The solenoid comes in its own little box. Inside the bigger box, they included a 2506 DIN, iirc. So they are two seperate items.

Lemme check.


Answer: Look at post #1. They come as seperate items. iprocessmart.com doesn't charge you for the non-led 2506 DIN. They throw it in for free.
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid

[herns]

These Burkert solenoids do not come with a stock cable plug. You have to order one of the LED models. Either the one with the varistor or the one without.

I am waiting on a return call to find out more about why this is. It was my understanding that they would come standard with the non-LED cable plug.


I wanted to make sure I got the correct parts. I know shipping charge is not cheap especially if one part is missing from order list.

Is my order list below correct?

1 pc-2/2 Miniature Solenoid Valve, Brass Body. Part Number: 00463938. = $45.40
1 pc-Cable Plug to DIN 43650 LED w/ Varistor. Part Number: 008409 = $11.99

[jerry1]

I can shed SOME light. I'm one of the guys that discovered this unfortunate scenario where the valved come with no DIN plug.

I called FW systems last night. The tech guy had no idea because they were so new to them so he had to check this morning. He just called and confirmed that they do NOT come with any DIN. So basically, the "Accessory DIN's" they sell are really more like requirements! Even the Burket data sheet they link lead you to believe that they automatically come with the DIN adapter. Although closer inspection to the p/n's on the data sheet show that none really match the p/n FW systems sells on their site. CRAPPY if you ask me.

The guy I talked to said "but we back out the $ of that DIN so if it was included it would be more $". Huh? How would I know that and in the end, you have to pay the exta $ anyway! The Tech guy sent a request to their web master to add a note to the page for better clarification.

I was going to order the DIN from IPC Mart or whatever the site is called. Given the confusion at FW Systems, I would have rather did that. It is under $5, BUT $50 min order so there goes that idea.

Guess I need to order from FW systems. So much for Co2 this weekend!

And BTW LeftC, I am not upset with you about this. The fact is that I would not be this far along without you man!

EDIT: Just called my Tech Guy at FW Systems. I didn't have to raise too much heck and got free shipping. I ordered the $9.99 version w/o a varistor because mine will be plugged into a surge protector anyway. I would rather people don't bring up my name when dealing with FW Systems on this but with little complaining, you can likely get free shipping if this affected you too.

[Left C]

Right when you think that all the bases are covered, something like this falls through the cracks and messes up the whole deal.

[Left C]

I wanted to make sure I got the correct parts. I know shipping charge is not cheap especially if one part is missing from order list.

Is my order list below correct?

1 pc-2/2 Miniature Solenoid Valve, Brass Body. Part Number: 00463938. = $45.40
1 pc-Cable Plug to DIN 43650 LED w/ Varistor. Part Number: 008409 = $11.99

I answered your PM. You are correct.

[Orple]

I have my Solenoid and cable plug ordered, and it should be here any minute now. On a related note, I did find some odd but related information while poking around for CGA nuts and nipples. The following site suggests that Buna-N seals are less satisfactory than Viton seals for CO2, which runs against everything we've been saying here. See the link....

http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Smith/SpecMenu.html

Can anyone shed light on why they would make that claim?

[Left C]

I have my Solenoid and cable plug ordered, and it should be here any minute now. On a related note, I did find some odd but related information while poking around for CGA nuts and nipples. The following site suggests that Buna-N seals are less satisfactory than Viton seals for CO2, which runs against everything we've been saying here. See the link....

http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Smith/SpecMenu.html

Can anyone shed light on why they would make that claim?Your link doesn't lead to what you are referring to.

I found this. Are you referring to the "Smith Material Compatibility Chart?"

It doesn't say that Buna-N is less satisfactory.

Notice what "S" represents and what "C" represents in that chart for CO2.

Viton is rated as "S" for CO2 and Buna-N is rated as "C" for CO2.

S = Satisfactory with use with the intended gas (dry anhydrous) at normal operating temperature of 70° F
C = Compatibility depends on conditions of use.


Anyway, it was Burkert that suggested that Buna-N is a better product for CO2 use in their solenoids. Viton is a good all around seal material.

[pat w]

What's the sound level of these when they operate? My new application could have them operating once every two to four minutes. If the clicking is too loud that could be unpleasent.

Pat

[Matt F.]

What's the sound level of these when they operate? My new application could have them operating once every two to four minutes. If the clicking is too loud that could be unpleasent.

Pat

The click is audible. I can hear it from inside my stand when the doors are closed.

[Orple]

I found this. Are you referring to the "Smith Material Compatibility Chart?"

It doesn't say that Buna-N is less satisfactory.

Notice what "S" represents and what "C" represents in that chart for CO2.

Viton is rated as "S" for CO2 and Buna-N is rated as "C" for CO2.

S = Satisfactory with use with the intended gas (dry anhydrous) at normal operating temperature of 70° F
C = Compatibility depends on conditions of use.


Anyway, it was Burkert that suggested that Buna-N is a better product for CO2 use in their solenoids. Viton is a good all around seal material.

Sorry about that link. I can't seem to get it to specify further, but I was referring to the compatibility chart. The way I read the S and C is that Viton (rated S) will work just fine; the Bunas (rated C) might work just fine, depending on the context. Wouldn't that suggest tat the Vitons are a better bet than the Bunas?

Again, I'm not arguing against Bunas (or Burkert, for that matter); I don't have a dog in the fight (my new Buna-N Burkert just arrived today!). I just want to be able to understand the lingo.

[Left C]

Sorry about that link. I can't seem to get it to specify further, but I was referring to the compatibility chart. The way I read the S and C is that Viton (rated S) will work just fine; the Bunas (rated C) might work just fine, depending on the context. Wouldn't that suggest tat the Vitons are a better bet than the Bunas?

Again, I'm not arguing against Bunas (or Burkert, for that matter); I don't have a dog in the fight (my new Buna-N Burkert just arrived today!). I just want to be able to understand the lingo.

Viton is a good all around seal material that will work with a wide range of products. Buna-N works with CO2 better than Viton.

You can check it out in the Cole-Pamer Chemical Compatibility Chart: http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcomp.asp

Results
Viton: CO2 dry rated as (B) good, CO2 wet rated as (B) good
Buna-N: CO2 dry rated as (A) excellent, CO2 wet rated as (A) excellent

From the chart, Buna-N is rated as excellent with both dry and wet CO2 whereas Viton is only rated as good with both dry and wet CO2.

[pat w]

The click is audible. I can hear it from inside my stand when the doors are closed.

Rats ... Sounds like what I've got. I was hopeing it was quieter than mine. Maybe some sound deadening foam inside the stand.

[Left C]

I'm a newbie to all this but wanted the better parts thus ordered it direct from Burkert as well. Please note that there may not always be a wait period. Sometimes, they mentioned, they would have one in inventory... if your lucky. In the case they have it in stock.... TELL THEM to hold it or something with your CC number. Otherwise as most business goes, first paid is first sold to.

I have a question though on the assembly side... Can't you use a spare computer cord that's lying around? ....I know some folks had a bit of trouble finding 18/3 power cords.

I looked at my computers' power cords. They are 18/3. You can using pick up a generic 18/3 computer power cord for a few bucks and cut the female end off. Here is the one used on my HP computer: http://partsurfer.hp.com/ShowPhoto.aspx?partnumber=8121-0740

[bsmith782]

Just got the solenoid in the mail this morning. I was going to go to Lowe's and see if I could get a 18/3 cord since it is the one recommended for this solenoid. But the clippard cord is a 16/3 and only a bit bigger. After taking the clippard apart and eying things I thought it could work. After putting it all together and a bit of extra tugging on the cord it all worked perfectly. When I plug it in it makes that nice click!

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10003.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10005.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10003.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10006.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10001.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10007.jpg

And done.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10008.jpg

Hooked up and soap tested for leaks.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10012.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/bsmith782/burkertsolenoid12-8-10010.jpg

[Left C]

Great info, B!

[Matt F.]

Glad to see you got one!
Good going. I think you're the only person who has run a 16/3 gauge cord through your 2506 DIn.
Glad to know it works with some work.

[bsmith782]

I don't know what its called but there were two small pieces of plastic that are right below where you push the circuit down on that I smashed when pulling the wire through. Everything went back together perfect and nothing seemed out of place but just wanted to note that. I can almost guarantee you that if I used the 18/3 cord I would have done the same but just to have full disclosure.

[Matt F.]

which plastic thing are ou talking about? The bracket? or the thing that sticks up in the middle? I didn't have a problem when I installed my 18/3.

[skerzfan]

I answered your PM. You are correct.

In regards to the:

1 pc-Cable Plug to DIN 43650 LED w/ Varistor. Part Number: 008409 = $11.99

The information sheet indicates part Number 008 408 is rated 12 - 24 V AC/DC;

The Part No. 008 353 shown on page 1 of this thread is rated 0 - 250 V AC/DC.

I would definitely like to have a LED indicator. Is 008 409 the 0-250 V AC/DC version?

The spec sheet doesn't show it.

[Left C]

In regards to the:

1 pc-Cable Plug to DIN 43650 LED w/ Varistor. Part Number: 008409 = $11.99

The information sheet indicates part Number 008 408 is rated 12 - 24 V AC/DC;

The Part No. 008 353 shown on page 1 of this thread is rated 0 - 250 V AC/DC.

I would definitely like to have a LED indicator. Is 008 409 the 0-250 V AC/DC version?

The spec sheet doesn't show it.008 403 and 008 409 are the 2506 cable plug part numbers that freshwatersystems are carrying. They both have a LED and are rated for 100 to 120V AC @ 3A max. '403 doesn't have extra circuitry (no rectifier or varistor) and '409 has a varistor. They aren't carrying part number 008 408.

Burkert 2506 cable plug spec sheet: http://us.burkert.com/products_data/datasheets/DS2506-Standard-US-EN.pdf

With LED
[100 to 120 V/AC/DC] [max. 3 A] [008 403]
http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6017-cable-plug-to-din-43650-led-no-varistor.aspx
(There is missing information. freshwatersystems didn't write this part number on their listing. Maybe this is where the confusion is.)

With LED and varistor
[100 to 120 V/AC/DC] [max. 3 A] [008 409]
http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6018-cable-plug-to-din-43650-led-with-varistor.aspx

[skerzfan]

With LED
[100 to 120 V/AC/DC] [max. 3 A] [008 403]
http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6017-cable-plug-to-din-43650-led-no-varistor.aspx
(There is missing information. freshwatersystems didn't write this part number on their listing. Maybe this is where the confusion is.)

With LED and varistor
[100 to 120 V/AC/DC] [max. 3 A] [008 409]
http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6018-cable-plug-to-din-43650-led-with-varistor.aspx

Thanks for the info. Order placed.

[Left C]

Thanks for the info. Order placed.You are very welcome. I am glad to help. I hope that you have great service with your solenoid.

[bsmith782]

Not that it has been long yet but the sole' has been working great. I am thinking that this piece will last just as long as my dual stage regs. forever!

[cvar]

Huge thanks to Left C, Tom Barr, and da boyz here for all your awesome help. Wow, you guys are a wealth of information. Thanks for sharing it, and leading us newbies down the right path. You've helped me with so much already, just by posting your travails here. Well done!

I ordered the same Burkert solenoid & LED combo as skerzfan, from freshwatersystems.com today. And thanks to Matt F. for showing me how to wire it. I'm so psyched. Da fishes (OK, da plants) are gonna have lotsa CO2 soon!

[Matt F.]

cvar

You made a great decision buying a burkert solenoid. Enjoy it. In addition to the wiring thread, please review this one on gas flow direction: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7864-Burkert-Solenoids-gas-flow-direction-is-important-in-preventing-leaks

[cvar]

Yeah, good catch! That's certainly not obvious. P & A? What were they thinking? I'm gonna stamp an arrow in mine, cuz I'm gonna forget the P & A in a few years.
Great series of photos, Matt. The wiring one too. Like you, I'm a dyed in the wool DIY guy, so I like to open stuff up, just for grins.

Now I'm on to DIY the other parts of this build. A big reactor comes next. There's so much knowledge, right here. Great site!!!

[Left C]

... P & A? What were they thinking? I'm gonna stamp an arrow in mine, cuz I'm gonna forget the P & A in a few years.
Great series of photos, Matt. The wiring one too. Like you, I'm a dyed in the wool DIY guy, so I like to open stuff up, just for grins. ...Thanks cvar. Using good equipment is the way to go.

This is how I keep the P & A straight. I think of the "P" as the pressure side because it is the side closest to the regulator. I haven't found a good word for the "A." Maybe "auten" that's pronounced "out-en." This is my made up German word for "out." I don't know, but just remembering that the "P" stands for pressure will work.

I'm glad that Matt contacted Burkert. I told some people to assemble it in the direction so that you can read the words from left to right on it correctly which is wrong. This is how a Clippard solenoid is assembled. Thanks Matt for sharing!

Good luck with your regulator assembly, cvar!! I'm sure that we would like to see a picture of it.

[Left C]

Maybe it is time for a bump.

[Lost Csr]

Thanks Left C for the info. Very much appreciated.
Is it recommended that I get the LED DIN?
Can I order through Rebecca or do I have to go through there Spain office?

I'm thinking of getting this regulator
http://store.cyberweld.com/vico2resr25m.html
That's the one you were talking about?
I read that Europe connectors are different from US connectors. Will this be an issue for me?

[Left C]

Thanks Left C for the info. Very much appreciated.
Is it recommended that I get the LED DIN?
Can I order through Rebecca or do I have to go through there Spain office?

I'm thinking of getting this regulator
http://store.cyberweld.com/vico2resr25m.html
That's the one you were talking about?
I read that Europe connectors are different from US connectors. Will this be an issue for me?I have one that doesn't have the LED cable plug. It's fin, but I like having a light on it so that I know when it is on. This is personal preference. They aren't required. It will be your choice. The "no LED" part number is listed in the pdf below.

Burkert has different voltage models. On page 2 of the pdf below, you will see the three different voltages that they are available in. These are:
12V to 24V
100V to 120V
200V to 240V

The part numbers that I have listed are for the 100V to 120V models. You are correct about the differences. Your country uses 220v. You will need the 200V to 240V models. You can see their part number is this pdf below.

http://www.burkert.com/products_data/datasheets/DS2506-Standard-EU-EN.pdf

Don't order through Rebecca. Go through Spain for your cable plug choice. You can order the solenoid through Spain and you can check to see if freshwatersystems will ship a solenoid to you.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Nope. That isn't it. That regulator is a SR253 which is a single stage model. It is listed in the specs. The VTS253 is the model that I mentioned. You can easily tell Victor's two stage regulators' part numbers. There is a "T" in it. Like VTS253, VTS453, SGT500, HPT500, HPT270, GTP270 and so on.

A good model would be the VTS253B-320. This one is two stage, has a 0 to 60 psi working pressure gauge, and is set up for CO2 duty in the US. You could get that regulator and put your type of CO2 nut and nipple on it. Matt has a sticky on building a VTS253B-320: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7785-How-to-build-a-Victor-VTS253b-320

Other good Victor models are the:
VTS253A-320
VTS253A-1993
SGT500
HPT500

[Lost Csr]

I can ask for the same model numbers for both parts?
I will write them and email tomorrow.
Thanks for the link. I was actually reading Matt's setup about an hr ago.

[PlasticPlants]

Im about to purchase the 6011. I read that the brass is suitable for CO2 applications, but I noticed that some people buy the stainless steel version for CO2 applications as well. Is there any other benefits to stainless steel, other than personal preference? thanks

[Left C]

Im about to purchase the 6011. I read that the brass is suitable for CO2 applications, but I noticed that some people buy the stainless steel version for CO2 applications as well. Is there any other benefits to stainless steel, other than personal preference? thanksBrass or Stainless Steel is fine for our use with Stainless Steel being better in that it doesn't tarnish like Brass does. I haven't read anything concerning whether Stainless Steel Burkerts wear better than the Brass ones.

Mostly, Stainless Steel Burkerts are used for esthetics and color matching, but some people do prefer the Stainless Steel models.

Be sure to order your choice of the two cable plugs. You will also need an 18/3 or 16/3 power cord. Most are assembled with the 18/3 power cords, but some people have used 16/3 power cords.

[maknwar]

brass will outlast our needs and stainless will outlast a nuclear holocaust. The thicker power cord are a pure pain in the ass to wire, I recommend the 18 gauge.


Dont forget about the Victor VTS 450 models, they are a little heavy but who doesnt like heavy duty items?

[PlasticPlants]

thanks you guys, I spent maybe 5 hours reading everything I could, i just couldn't find anything about brass or SS. I read if i buy from iprocess they will give me the nonLED cable plug minus the power cord, but I probably will order the LED anyways. LeftC are you on every CO2 forum? :P I find your post all over the net.

[Left C]

FreshWaterSystems.com is the only company that has the Buna-N solenoids in stock. The other companies carry Viton seal models.

I used to visit a lot of forums, but I only visit a few now. I do have some relatives posting. There are Will C, 2 C and Right C that are posting much more than I ever posted.

[Matt F.]

FreshWaterSystems.com is the only company that has the Buna-N solenoids in stock. The other companies carry Viton seal models.

I used to visit a lot of forums, but I only visit a few now. I do have some relatives posting. There are Will C, 2 C and Right C that are posting much more than I ever posted.

Yeah, if you order the buna from any other spot it can take up to 35 days to have a buna-n burkert made for you.
You're forgetting Up-C and Down-C your nephew rappers.

[PlasticPlants]

Thanks guys, I actually ended up purchasing them from freashwatersystems. I wanted to buy them from iprocess because of the free non LED plug connector, but I live in CA and would have to put tax, making freashwater the cheaper option. I assumed both stores were Buna-N, but thanks for that important info.

[Left C]

When the first two models were first designed, I asked Burkert to assign part numbers to them. Shortly after the original 6011 Buna-N (brass and stainless steel) models were made, I asked Burkert if they could stock them or if they knew someone that would stock them. Burkert called me and told me that FreshWaterSystems.com would stock them for us. Before FreshWaterSystems.com stocked them, we had a 5 to 7 wait period.

As Matt said, any Burkert dealer can order them but there is still a 5 to 7 week waiting period for them to be manufactured in Germany and then shipped to the dealer. No other company stocks them as far as I know and this isn't a normally stocked item for Burkert either.

Do note that the Buna-N seal models have different part numbers than the Viton seal models.
00463938 - brass, Buna-N seals
00463939 - stainless steel, Buna-N seals
00456786 - brass, Viton seals
00457157 - stainless steel, Viton seals

[PlasticPlants]

is the solenoid suppose to be too hot to touch?

[oldpunk]

^ yes. they do get hot.

[Matt F.]

^ yes. they do get hot.

Yes. Agreed. This is normal. Does not affect longevity or durability.

[ubr0ke17]

Would anyone be willing to order a ss berkert & din for me and send it to Canada..The shipping of 51.50 seems a little steep. I don't mind paying a little extra..

[bsmith782]

If you sent me the money to do it I would have no problem helping you out.

[aqua-nut]

I've read thru this and the other threads and now feel ready to add a solenoid to my CO2. But of course I have questions!
Looking at the freshwater systems site they have two listed. The brass body one, part number 00463938 (brass body), is $45.40. Specs list it as '24 V DC, 230 V / 50 Hz'. The other model (SS body), part number 00463939, is $81.50! Specs list it as '120 V / 60 Hz'.
Seems like the SS body one is correct for USA. Is that right? Any idea why it is so much more $$?

Brass is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6016-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-brass-body.aspx
SS is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

Please be gentle, this is my FIRST post on BR!! :gw:D

[bsmith782]

I've read thru this and the other threads and now feel ready to add a solenoid to my CO2. But of course I have questions!
Looking at the freshwater systems site they have two listed. The brass body one, part number 00463938 (brass body), is $45.40. Specs list it as '24 V DC, 230 V / 50 Hz'. The other model (SS body), part number 00463939, is $81.50! Specs list it as '120 V / 60 Hz'.
Seems like the SS body one is correct for USA. Is that right? Any idea why it is so much more $$?

Brass is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6016-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-brass-body.aspx
SS is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

Please be gentle, this is my FIRST post on BR!! :gw:D

The SS one is more expensive because of just that its SS. Its a more expensive material that is tarnish proof and is just prettier looking. The Brass model will work just as well but will not be quite as resilient but will still give you many many years of great service.

[Left C]

I've read thru this and the other threads and now feel ready to add a solenoid to my CO2. But of course I have questions!
Looking at the freshwater systems site they have two listed. The brass body one, part number 00463938 (brass body), is $45.40. Specs list it as '24 V DC, 230 V / 50 Hz'. The other model (SS body), part number 00463939, is $81.50! Specs list it as '120 V / 60 Hz'.
Seems like the SS body one is correct for USA. Is that right? Any idea why it is so much more $$?

Brass is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6016-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-brass-body.aspx
SS is at http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

Please be gentle, this is my FIRST post on BR!! :gw:DWelcome aqua-nut!!

There is a typo in the posted specs for the brass model. I sent them an email a while back saying that it needed correction. Apparently they haven't corrected it yet for some reason.

Anyway, look at what they do have posted with the brass part number:

Part Number: 00463938
Alt. Part Number: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04

Notice that in the Alt. Part Number you see 120/60. This means that it is for a 120V 60Hz current that we use in the US. This is correct.


This is my original post about the Buna-N models: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7429-B%C3%BCrkert-6011-solenoids-with-Buna-seals-...-available-very-soon?highlight=Burkert

Here are the specs that I posted. Notice that it says 120V 60Hz too:
00463938

material: BRASS
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: MS: BR
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



This is the stainless steel model. It is also for 120V 60Hz:
00463939

material: STAINLESS STEEL
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBVANM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: VA: SS
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



When I was working with Bürkert to build these Buna-N models, I suggested that we build them in both brass and stainless steel. The brass model is more budget friendly. The stainless steel model is for more heavy duty use, it is a more expensive material than brass and it doesn't tarnish as bsmith mentioned. Many of us have chrome plated, nickel plated or stainless steel regulators as well as brass regulators. Having both brass and stainless steel solenoid models allows the option to use "color coordinated" needle/metering valves and adapters where their CO2 parts will be exposed in full view. This is important to some people.

Does this answer your questions, aqua-nut?

[bsmith782]

Welcome aqua-nut!!

There is a typo in the posted specs for the brass model. I sent them an email a while back saying that it needed correction. Apparently they haven't corrected it yet for some reason.

Anyway, look at what they do have posted with the brass part number:

Part Number: 00463938
Alt. Part Number: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04

Notice that in the Alt. Part Number you see 120/60. This means that it is for a 120V 60Hz current that we use in the US. This is correct.


This is my original post about the Buna-N models: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7429-B%C3%BCrkert-6011-solenoids-with-Buna-seals-...-available-very-soon?highlight=Burkert

Here are the specs that I posted. Notice that it says 120V 60Hz too:
00463938

material: BRASS
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: MS: BR
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



This is the stainless steel model. It is also for 120V 60Hz:
00463939

material: STAINLESS STEEL
description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
mat description: 6011-A02,0BBVANM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
type: 6011
circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
seal material: BB: NBR
body material: VA: SS
port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
voltage: 120V
frequency: 60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
technical data: PRESSURE
pressure min: 0
pressure max: 8
technical data: FLOW-RATE
KV: 0,110



When I was working with Bürkert to build these Buna-N models, I suggested that we build them in both brass and stainless steel. The brass model is more budget friendly. The stainless steel model is for more heavy duty use, it is a more expensive material than brass and it doesn't tarnish as bsmith mentioned. Many of us have chrome plated, nickel plated or stainless steel regulators as well as brass regulators. Having both brass and stainless steel solenoid models allows the option to use "color coordinated" needle/metering valves and adapters where their CO2 parts will be exposed in full view. This is important to some people.

Does this answer your questions, aqua-nut?

I wonder what a SS Burkert would look like with a polishing wheel and some compound? Ill bet my regulator that with a bit of elbow grease it would shine like the sun!

[Left C]

I wonder what a SS Burkert would look like with a polishing wheel and some compound? Ill bet my regulator that with a bit of elbow grease it would shine like the sun!I'll bet that it would too. Do you have a Dremel Tool?

How is that chrome Ideal 52-1-12 needle valve holding up?

After I set mine, I don't have to ever adjust them. Ronco ... Set It and Forget It!

[aqua-nut]

Welcome aqua-nut!!

Does this answer your questions, aqua-nut?

Thanks Left C. That is a GREAT answer!

[Left C]

Thanks Left C. That is a GREAT answer!I'm glad that it helped.

You will like the optional LED cable plug. You can either get the "plain" LED model or the one with a varistor. A varistor is something like a surge protector. I do not know if you will need this added protection, but it doesn't hurt or cost much more to have it.

Sometimes 18/3 power cords can be hard to find. If you have trouble, most computers use 18/3 power cords. You can pick up one of these for a few dollars and cut the end off. Matt provided a link to a place that has about a zillion power cords. These will work: http://www.americord.com/power-cords/nema-5-15p-to-roj/18-3-gauge-10-amps.html

Good luck!

[aqua-nut]

I'm a computer guy so there is NO shortage of old cords around. Just ask my wife! They are like snails. First you have one and in no time you have a drawer full.

[Left C]

Would there be any interest in getting wired 2506 cable plugs from freshwatersystems? I wonder if we could get them to wire some of the 008409 Plug Connections With LED and Varistor using 18/3 power cords: http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6018-burkert-008409-plug-connection-with-led-and-varistor.aspx

[Left C]

I received the following email from Greg at Burkert concerning their 2013 price increase.


Dear Valued Customer,

We are informed daily how various commodities and raw materials continue to fluctuate in either cost and/or value. The mentioned movements create effects in much of what we do in some form or another. In order to manage our business well we have to address the moving material cost through a moderate price increase.

Effective January 2, 2013 there will be a 3.5% price increase for all Burkert products. New price sheets will be issued prior to the effective date mentioned.

We thank you for your continued support and business. Burkert looks forward to the opportunity of being your systems solutions provider.

Best regards,

Greg Love

[shoggoth43]

Got mine the other day. Not sure when I'll get the solenoid plumbed in, but the wiring was simple enough to do. I would think a six foot cord is the minimum length you should try for.

-
S

[shoggoth43]

Apologies if I missed this in one of the threads but is there a preferred orientation to the solenoid? The clippard one I have was mounted with the coil facing downward. For simplicity in replacement I'd like to do the same or perhaps facing horizontally to the rear. There is no room to have the coil facing upward without having to redo all of my regulator fittings.

[Darkblade48]

Apologies if I missed this in one of the threads but is there a preferred orientation to the solenoid? The clippard one I have was mounted with the coil facing downward. For simplicity in replacement I'd like to do the same or perhaps facing horizontally to the rear. There is no room to have the coil facing upward without having to redo all of my regulator fittings.

I don't think the direction that the solenoid faces matter. Just be sure to get the input and the output directions correct, however.

[oldpunk]

Burkert says that the preferred way to have it is with the coil staright up but they also say that it's not necessary. The 'P' side is in and the 'A' side is out.

[shoggoth43]

Got it put together today. Coil is pointing forward as it keeps it in a protected orientation if the tank falls for some reason. Thanks to all for the input. Hopefully this lasts longer than the Clippard. At least the seals on this shouldn't turn brittle.

[bettatail]

Got it put together today. Coil is pointing forward as it keeps it in a protected orientation if the tank falls for some reason. Thanks to all for the input. Hopefully this lasts longer than the Clippard. At least the seals on this shouldn't turn brittle.

what model did you get?
the 6011? or the 2822?
6011 and 2822 both have "P", and "A" marks on the metal block, and as oldpunk mention, P for input, A for output.
If it is the 0200/200 series, there is and arrow sign on the metal block indicates the flow direction.

and I know there is older 0300/300 series, 4 watts burkert solenoid exists too, but not sure what marks on the metal block.

the first solenoid from the left, is the stainless steel burkert 0200/200 series solenoid, don't know if anyone has mention this solenoid, or may be it is the first time that I show the picture of this solenoid here, just like I did on the 2 watt stainless steel 2822(not available now, the seller sold them all :().


(the second is the 0.67watt clippard mouse, and the third one is the stainless steel 1.5watt numatics "S" solenoid)

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/bettatail/Valves%20Regulator/IMG_5176.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/bettatail/Valves%20Regulator/IMG_5174.jpg

[bettatail]

even the burkert has so many suitable models, 4 watts, 2 watts, ..
just imagine other brands, Parker Hannifin, SMC, CKD, Numatics,...
they have high quality solenoids that are low power consumption, what you need to do is to dig deep, to find the available and suitable models.

good luck.

[shoggoth43]

I got the 6011 model from the freshwater systems link a few posts back. Wiring was simple although threading the cord through would be easier with 2 working hands. I gave up on the regulator plumbing and just had my friend do it in exchange for pizza. :)