Ideal needle Valve with 1/8" FPT and vernier metering handle

[Tom Barr]

All the right stuff in one valve: 67.50$ + shipping.

http://idealvalve.thomasnet.com/item/all-categories/52-series-forged-brass-needle-valves/item-1122?&seo=110

Since the Swagelok is often bought used or surplus and they rarely come with these nice metering handles, this is a good new price direct. A good solenoid and a good Dual stage reg, good tubing, nice Clippard check valve.......these will make all of this easier to slow and progressively adjust the CO2 and avoid any end of tank dumping or other issues.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[Left C]

We can add a few more to the list. The above's sister valve is the brass angle style Vernier handle valve. It's Item # V 52-1-12, 52 Series Forged Brass Needle Valves 1/8" FPT. Please note that the image of the valve doesn't show the Vernier handle, but this is the correct part number. http://idealvalve.thomasnet.com/item/all-categories/52-series-forged-brass-needle-valves/item-1136?&seo=110

These are stainless steel versions. 1/8" FPT
Straight thru Item # V 54-1-11, 54 Series Forged Stainless Needle Valves: http://idealvalve.thomasnet.com/item/all-categories/54-series-forged-stainless-needle-valves/item-1164?&seo=110&bc=100|1007|1005
Angle style Item # V 54-1-12, 54 Series Forged Stainless Needle Valves: http://idealvalve.thomasnet.com/item/all-categories/54-series-forged-stainless-needle-valves/item-1180?&seo=110&bc=100|1007|1005


Straight Thru
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/V54---11.jpg


Angle Style
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/V-54---12.jpg

[Tom Barr]

They are much cheaper and better, and already come with the handles than the new Swageloks actually.
So less part hunting, funky connection issues etc.

Maybe folks can fangle together a used or old stock Swagelok, but that can take time and searching, bidding on ebay etc.
Best if we can simply call a place up, order it and be done with it.

A good dual reg is the next step, but those are far more common and easier to track down, require few special parts etc.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[andyl9063]

how are you getting this price? I check that link and their website don't even work.

[Tom Barr]

Good old communication, the phone:)
If you buy 10 or more........then even a better deal.

These folks are a nice small machine shop in ND, USA.
Good people to support.



Regards,
Tom Barr

[Matt F.]

Good old communication, the phone:)
If you buy 10 or more........then even a better deal.

These folks are a nice small machine shop in ND, USA.
Good people to support.



Regards,
Tom Barr

Yeah, these valves are hand made...no two are alike. They all work perfectly. Tight clearances and just a joy to use. I may just buy a spare v52-1-12 and a v54-1-12 just to have...they're really beautiful. Bill and his wife are good people.

[andyl9063]

i got an email from bill, I'm ask him if he can do the same price.

[Matt F.]

i got an email from bill, I'm ask him if he can do the same price.

$67.50 doesn't include shipping. Shipping varies.

[andyl9063]

yea i know, that would be fine. but his shipping was going to be another $7. So that wouldn't equal $91

[Matt F.]

I think I paid $83 for my brass ideal valve. If you think $91 is expensive, try one of the V54-1-12s...LoL

They are a small family-owned machine shop that makes aerospace quality needle valves by hand. I'd gladly pay $91 to support that. You don't find craftsmanship like that very often anymore.

Like I said I might buy a brass one and a stainless one and put them on our mantle as decorations...

They are def worth the price he is charging you. And that's the price you pay for quality, imo.

[Tom Barr]

I think I paid $83 for my brass ideal valve. If you think $91 is expensive, try one of the V54-1-12s...LoL

They are a small family-owned machine shop that makes aerospace quality needle valves by hand. I'd gladly pay $91 to support that. You don't find craftsmanship like that very often anymore.

Like I said I might buy a brass one and a stainless one and put them on our mantle as decorations...

They are def worth the price he is charging you. And that's the price you pay for quality, imo.

I agree too.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[andyl9063]

i understand that. As a buyer, you're always searching for lower price but quality as well. I am in no shape or form trying to low ball them or anything.

[Matt F.]

i understand that. As a buyer, you're always searching for lower price but quality as well. I am in no shape or form trying to low ball them or anything.

That's true if there is more than one source for these valves, but each one is hand made, so there ins't really a market value for these things...where you have two or three different competitors driving prices down. I'm sure material prices go up and down, too.
Plus we are paying for his labor, etc.

I'll tell ya what...if you order your valve tonight, I'll order another more expensive V54-1-12. Although I don't need it, I am totally down to support the cause...lol

[Left C]

You can even get Bill to chrome plate or nickle plate the brass valves for you. Then the price will be a little more than the brass ones, but cheaper than the stainless steel ones. He chrome plated 10 for me not long ago. They are very nice looking!

[Matt F.]

You can even get Bill to chrome plate or nickle plate the brass valves for you. Then the price will be a little more than the brass ones, but cheaper than the stainless steel ones. He chrome plated 10 for me not long ago. They are very nice looking!

Dang, maybe I should collect these things. I'll get a v52-1-12, v54-1-12, v52-1-12 (chrome) and a v52-1-12 (nickel)...

wonder which one (chrome or nickel) will be more durable in the long run...I bet they are easy to clean. I bet they look nice though with the "Ideal" logo on them. The stainless valves don't say "Ideal" on them...only the brass ones.

[Orple]

So going back to the previous comment, anyone know why the links aren't working, or how to get at the same material some other way? I'd like to pick one of these up; just not sure how with the links down.

Cheers,
Orple

[Left C]

So going back to the previous comment, anyone know why the links aren't working, or how to get at the same material some other way? I'd like to pick one of these up; just not sure how with the links down.

Cheers,
OrpleDon't know why the links are still down. You can't order directly from their site anyway.

Contact Bill Sand via one of these 3 ways. That's what I do:
Phone (701) 352-1164

Fax (701) 352-1165

sales@idealvalve.com

[Matt F.]

Don't know why the links are still down. You can't order directly from their site anyway.

Contact Bill Sand via one of these 3 ways. That's what I do:
Phone (701) 352-1164

Fax (701) 352-1165

sales@idealvalve.com

+1 That's what I did all three times.

[barbarossa4122]

Just got of the phone with Ideal inc, and they want $91.00 shipped. I think I'll get it. Will it work with this regulator?
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONCOA-402-Brass-Bar-Stock-Gas-Regulator-CGA-320-CO2-/370447851755?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564069a0eb#ht_2444wt_1139

Please don't laugh, I am trying hard here to built a system.

[barbarossa4122]

I see that Rex is selling these for $70.00. Are the ones you buy from Ideal inc. better? Not complaining, just want to get the right stuff and I agree with buying from Ideal inc and support them.

[andyl9063]

The $91 from ideal has vernier handles, its more precise. It should work with that concoa regulator. I got the same one, but its black.

You can get 1/8 check valves to connect them from lowes or hd

[barbarossa4122]

It should work with that concoa regulator.

Hi,

Thanks for the advice.

Anyone knows if this Concoa comes with the right stem and saves me the trouble of replacing that ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONCOA-402-Brass-Bar-Stock-Gas-Regulator-CGA-320-CO2-/370447851755?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564069a0eb#ht_2444wt_1139

[Matt F.]

I see that Rex is selling these for $70.00. Are the ones you buy from Ideal inc. better? Not complaining, just want to get the right stuff and I agree with buying from Ideal inc and support them.

The ones rex is selling doesn't have the vernier/ micrometer.

[Tom Barr]

The vernier handle are really nice/good to have.

This allows you to adjust slow and progressively, say..........one unit each week or so.
Watch carefully, observe etc.

These valves are very stable, so..........the CO2 rates are also adjusted very slow and stable.
You can also do this with a pH controller in a well mixed aquarium as a relative measure of CO2, adjusting the pH down slow and steady.
Careful if the KH in the tpa changes etc or other pH influenced issues however.

The valve?

There's no influence due to pH/Tap or tannins etc.
The rate is stable.

Regards,
Tom Barr

[barbarossa4122]

Got it. Thanks Tom.

[Left C]

Hi,

Thanks for the advice.

Anyone knows if this Concoa comes with the right stem and saves me the trouble of replacing that ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONCOA-402-Brass-Bar-Stock-Gas-Regulator-CGA-320-CO2-/370447851755?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564069a0eb#ht_2444wt_1139

It has a CGA-320 fitting.

EDIT: It is a single stage model. Bummer!

[Left C]

I see that Rex is selling these for $70.00. Are the ones you buy from Ideal inc. better? Not complaining, just want to get the right stuff and I agree with buying from Ideal inc and support them.

You didn't mention the part number that you ordered.

Rex has the 52-1-12 models w/o the micrometer handle. His price is w/o shipping.

[Matt F.]

It has a CGA-320 fitting. It is good to go. Good find!

That looks like a single stage...please confirm by looking at the pics of the back of the regulator. Either that or it doesn't have its first stage. look at the back of that monster.

[barbarossa4122]

It has a CGA-320 fitting. It is good to go. Good find!

I did not wait for an answer(as usual) and I bought this Victor and they delivered it in one day.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz242/barbarossa4122/th_115.jpg?t=1288401208

Maybe I should grab the Concoa too.

[Matt F.]

I did not wait for an answer(as usual) and I bought this Victor and they delivered it in one day.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz242/barbarossa4122/th_115.jpg?t=1288401208

Maybe I should grab the Concoa too.

Don't buy that concoa...it looks to either be incomplete or to be a single stage.

[Left C]

Matt's right. That is the single stage model. Don't get it.

Concoa two stage models are 212, 312, 412 series.

Sorry about that. I just looked at the CGA fitting.

[barbarossa4122]

You didn't mention the part number that you ordered.

Rex has the 52-1-12 models w/o the micrometer handle. His price is w/o shipping.

Like the folks are guessing, you got the V52-1-12 w/ micrometer handle for $91 shipped.

Hi,

Did not buy it yet.

[barbarossa4122]

Matt's right. That is the single stage model. Don't get it.

Concoa two stage models are 212, 312, 412 series.

Sorry about that. I just looked at the CGA fitting.

Thanks Left C. I did not get it but, I was close.:)

[barbarossa4122]

Don't buy that concoa...it looks to either be incomplete or to be a single stage.


Thanks Matt. How do you guys like the Victor ? This is a two stage right ?

[Matt F.]

Thanks Matt. How do you guys like the Victor ? This is a two stage right ?

I like it so much I got a new vts253b-320, which is similar. ;)

[Left C]

.... This is a two stage right ?You can tell that it is a two stage regulator because it has a big hump on its backside. Single stage regulators are flat on their backsides like that Concoa 402 that you posted.




two stage

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz242/barbarossa4122/th_112.jpg?t=1288403034

more two stage
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/RearShot.jpg





single stage
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/Rexsregulator.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/APcomsTheBestRegulator.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Left_C/AzooCO2regulator.jpg

[barbarossa4122]

Thanks again Left C .

[150EH]

As per the norm I'm 6 months late but now that you have used the Ideal NV with the Vernier/micrometer how do you like it, I'm getting ready to buy one and wasn't sure if I really need the added expense of the vernier option, the needle valve itself has 22 to 24 turns from open to close so I'm guessing it's already very tunable, now if you add the vernier option you should be able to fine tune the bubbles speed to extreme accuracy. I can see how this would come in handy on a small tank where you can sit and watch the bubble grow over the next 15 or 20 seconds but there would be no use for it on larger tanks with more than a bubble per second speed? BTW that was a question so please straighten me out on this valve.